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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by Duluth

      Finally, there is silverware to be won when the Magpies take on BOP in the Battle of the Bays!

      This is the Macrae-Shelford Bay Cup:

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11909175

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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer last edited by

        Bay of Plenty squad for tomorrow:

        1 Aidan Ross
        2 James O'Reilly
        3 Ziggy Fisi'ihoi
        4 Tom Franklin
        5 Keepa Mewett (c)
        6 Hugh Blake
        7 Mitch Karpik
        8 Tyler Ardron
        9 Richard Judd
        10 Mike Delany
        11 Joe Webber
        12 Terrence Hepetema
        13 Lalakai Foketi
        14 Monty Ioane
        15 Chase Tiatia

        Reserves
        16 Seb Siataga
        17 Solomona Sakalia
        18 James Lay
        19 Culum Retallick
        20 Jesse Parete
        21 Luke Campbell
        22 Liam Steel
        23 Elijah Nicholas

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          • Stargazer
            Stargazer last edited by

            Finally, the Magpies squad has been published. Is the HBRU the slowest union to publish their team lists? 🐌

            Magpies

            1 Jason Long
            2 Ash Dixon (c)
            3 Pouri Rakete-Stones
            4 Michael Allardice
            5 Nick Palmer
            6 Geoff Cridge
            7 Fa'alemiga Selesele
            8 Marino Mikaele-Tu'u
            9 Chris Eaton
            10 Ihaia West
            11 Sam McNicol
            12 Richard Buckman
            13 Cardiff Vaega
            14 Hayden Hann
            15 Tiaan Falcon

            Reserves:
            16 Jacob Devery
            17 Mark Braidwood
            18 Mason Kean
            19 Josh Eden-Whaitiri
            20 Ben Hamelink
            21 Zac Donaldson
            22 Pasqualle Dunn
            23 TJ Vaega

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            • Stargazer
              Stargazer last edited by

              How AWESOME is it to see Sam McNicol in the starting line-up!

              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11910511

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              • Nepia
                Nepia last edited by

                When did Renton get injured?

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                • Number 10
                  Number 10 @Stargazer last edited by

                  @Stargazer said in BOP v Magpies:

                  Finally, the Magpies squad has been published. Is the HBRU the slowest union to publish their team lists? 🐌

                  Magpies

                  1 Jason Long
                  2 Ash Dixon (c)
                  3 Pouri Rakete-Stones
                  4 Michael Allardice
                  5 Nick Palmer
                  6 Geoff Cridge
                  7 Fa'alemiga Selesele
                  8 Marino Mikaele-Tu'u
                  9 Chris Eaton
                  10 Ihaia West
                  11 Sam McNicol
                  12 Richard Buckman
                  13 Cardiff Vaega
                  14 Hayden Hann
                  15 Tiaan Falcon

                  Reserves:
                  16 Jacob Devery
                  17 Mark Braidwood
                  18 Mason Kean
                  19 Josh Eden-Whaitiri
                  20 Ben Hamelink
                  21 Zac Donaldson
                  22 Pasqualle Dunn
                  23 TJ Vaega

                  It was in my copy of the HB Today when I bought it this morning at 6.30 am. It was there in black and white ....

                  Oh, you mean on social media ... well I'm not on Facebook ...

                  Seriously, though, I think because the HB Today is an official sponsor of the HBRU, they seem to get first right of publication.

                  Am still uncomfortable with Tiaan Falcon at fullback. I don't think he took one contested high ball against Southland. I guess it's a case of trying to put all your first choice players in there somewhere so they are all on the field.

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                  • Stargazer
                    Stargazer @Number 10 last edited by Stargazer

                    @Number-10 The thing is, the online version of that article in the HBT (we can't buy the paper version here) only mentions some changes to last week's line-up, and doesn't give the full line-up. I think readers shouldn't be made to compare to, or remember, previous line-ups. If it's a matter of HBT having first publication rights of the team line-up, then the union should ask them to publish exactly that, the line-up.

                    Agree about Falcon, but that's the consequence of not signing a specialist fullback (other than Dagg) and using Falcon as a utility back instead of a five-eighth. I would have preferred McNicol at fullback, Bucky on the wing and Falcon at 12.

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                    • Higgins
                      Higgins last edited by Higgins

                      Finally got round to watching the Southland game yesterday and there are some worrying signs. The scrum was dicey with a lot of collapses and generally very untidy. What a good strong scrum might inflict on us gives me major worries if we don't show drastic improvement. Brendon Edmonds looks to have a big job on his hands here.

                      The taking of high kicks was spectacularly unimpressive, Tiaan Falcon looked lost (maybe the wind might have played a big part in that?) and struggled big time when it came to the little things fullbacks must be able to carry out instinctively. It looked like it might have been the first time he has played there so might know what to expect and how to deal with things next time. His attacking runs were a redeeming feature.

                      There is a lack of outright gas and blistering speed capable of running in long range tries which the likes of Zac and Gillies Kaka could do. A bit of work needed to be put into the Vaega boys to create this threat. C Vaega continues to show not much more than a sort of hungas crash style he showed when at Southland and at Marist St Pats where I watched him a few times during his stint at the Hurricanes. Kind of a George Moala style, or for those of us with long memories Hallum Kupa, where those outside him were often only there because of laws of rugby called for the requirement to field 15 players. BoP showed how to create space out wide with some nice passing and creative play (especially in the first half when they had plenty of possession) and looked to have a bit of speed so we will need to be on our mettle to snuff that danger out.

                      Tackling looked like an improvement from last season's touch rugby style but still a bit more to be done.

                      Lineouts were a lottery and surely can't be replicated this week or we will be in big trouble against a BoP lineout that looked pretty good against Northland.

                      Can someone pass a law against injuries as that was one of the few areas that we excelled at with a big number early on that really did not help. Stargazer, can you publish your list of those unavailable for selection because of injury (and their expected return dates) that you will have tucked away somewhere so we can assess the situation please? At least you can temporarily remove G Cridge and S McNicol from it meaning H Renton is currently the only life member of that list.

                      Nonetheless I am still predicting, and expecting, a HB victory in Rotorua tonight!

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                      • Number 10
                        Number 10 @Stargazer last edited by

                        @Stargazer said in BOP v Magpies:

                        @Number-10 The thing is, the online version of that article in the HBT (we can't buy the paper version here) only mentions some changes to last week's line-up, and doesn't give the full line-up. I think readers shouldn't be made to compare to, or remember, previous line-ups. If it's a matter of HBT having first publication rights of the team line-up, then the union should ask them to publish exactly that, the line-up.

                        Agree about Falcon, but that's the consequence of not signing a specialist fullback (other than Dagg) and using Falcon as a utility back instead of a five-eighth. I would have preferred McNicol at fullback, Bucky on the wing and Falcon at 12.

                        The NZ Herald website, and the HB Today within it, is NZME owned and controlled - nothing to do with HBRU.

                        I have been told the HB lineup was posted on the HBRU Facebook page at about 10.30am today. If so, I don't know why the HBRU couldn't have put it up earlier.

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                        • Number 10
                          Number 10 @Nepia last edited by

                          @Nepia said in BOP v Magpies:

                          When did Renton get injured?

                          Didn't know he was.

                          I presume he must be, as he is not in the 23 at all.

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                          • Higgins
                            Higgins last edited by

                            He must be because on reputation he must be a first choice selection ahead of Cridge (at blindside) or Selesele (at openside).

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                            • Nepia
                              Nepia @Higgins last edited by

                              @Higgins said in BOP v Magpies:

                              He must be because on reputation he must be a first choice selection ahead of Cridge (at blindside) or Selesele (at openside).

                              He's actually looked pretty good in the couple of matches I've seen him play this year - and he's a star of my PS4 Magpies team now that I've run out of money to pay for big name players.

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                              • Stockcar86
                                Stockcar86 last edited by

                                Maybe I should be selector...

                                @Stockcar86 said in Magpies v Southland:

                                Man of the match for me would be Ihaia West. Despite the yellow, was really impressed by Cridge - he could be a good loosey if the Evans/Lamborn injuries keep them out for a few weeks.

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                                • Higgins
                                  Higgins @Nepia last edited by

                                  @Nepia said in BOP v Magpies:

                                  @Higgins said in BOP v Magpies:

                                  He must be because on reputation he must be a first choice selection ahead of Cridge (at blindside) or Selesele (at openside).

                                  He's actually looked pretty good in the couple of matches I've seen him play this year - and he's a star of my PS4 Magpies team now that I've run out of money to pay for big name players.

                                  That's what is so disappointing and frustrating as we very seldom get to see him play thanks to what seems to be a never ending run of injuries.

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                                  • Stargazer
                                    Stargazer @Higgins last edited by Stargazer

                                    @Higgins said in BOP v Magpies:

                                    Can someone pass a law against injuries as that was one of the few areas that we excelled at with a big number early on that really did not help. Stargazer, can you publish your list of those unavailable for selection because of injury (and their expected return dates) that you will have tucked away somewhere so we can assess the situation please? At least you can temporarily remove G Cridge and S McNicol from it meaning H Renton is currently the only life member of that list.

                                    Fortunately, I still have a Magpies injury list. I didn't have time to keep my NZ Super Rugby injury list up-to-date; too many injured players!

                                    I have put Renton at the bottom of the list with a question mark, because I haven't seen any confirmation from the HBRU or anything in the media that he's actually injured.

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                                    • Higgins
                                      Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                      Thanks, from that list it looks like we're down about six or seven first choice starters then.

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                                      • Number 10
                                        Number 10 @Stargazer last edited by

                                        @Stargazer said in BOP v Magpies:

                                        @Higgins said in BOP v Magpies:

                                        Can someone pass a law against injuries as that was one of the few areas that we excelled at with a big number early on that really did not help. Stargazer, can you publish your list of those unavailable for selection because of injury (and their expected return dates) that you will have tucked away somewhere so we can assess the situation please? At least you can temporarily remove G Cridge and S McNicol from it meaning H Renton is currently the only life member of that list.

                                        Fortunately, I still have a Magpies injury list. I didn't have time to keep my NZ Super Rugby injury list up-to-date; too many injured players!

                                        I have put Renton at the bottom of the list with a question mark, because I haven't seen any confirmation from the HBRU or anything in the media that he's actually injured.

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                                        Yes, that is quite an impressive list after just one round .....

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                                        • Number 10
                                          Number 10 last edited by

                                          TAB has Hawke's Bay favourite at $1.77 with BOP at $2.05.

                                          I find that a bit surprising.

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                                          • Stockcar86
                                            Stockcar86 @Number 10 last edited by

                                            @Number-10 said in BOP v Magpies:

                                            TAB has Hawke's Bay favourite at $1.77 with BOP at $2.05.

                                            I find that a bit surprising.

                                            Me too. I am heading into this game feeling like the underdog by 8-10 points, but happy to be proved wrong

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                                            • Higgins
                                              Higgins @Number 10 last edited by Higgins

                                              @Number-10 said in BOP v Magpies:

                                              TAB has Hawke's Bay favourite at $1.77 with BOP at $2.05.

                                              I find that a bit surprising.

                                              Its got me perplexed too, especially watching both sides play last week. I can only presume someone has plonked a big sum on HB and the TAB are offering enticing odds on BoP to attract money on them to spread the TAB's financial risk.

                                              I've got a bad feeling about this game, especially considering I can't find my HB scarf and beanie. It kind of feels treasonous to watch our guys play not wearing acceptable supporters gear.

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                                              • Stockcar86
                                                Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                That was pretty stupid from Rakete-Stones, he doesn't just look like Clint Newlands

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                                                • Higgins
                                                  Higgins last edited by

                                                  Can't place this referee, what's his name?

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                                                  • Stockcar86
                                                    Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                    Fuck, we need the ball

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                                                    • Stockcar86
                                                      Stockcar86 @Higgins last edited by

                                                      @Higgins said in BOP v Magpies:

                                                      Can't place this referee, what's his name?

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                                                      • Stockcar86
                                                        Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                        I think I worked out why Eaton always goes to the short side - he can't pass long

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                                                        • Stockcar86
                                                          Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                          Give him is due, Eaton has added something to his game. Slowness to the rucks

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                                                          • Stockcar86
                                                            Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                            HB paying the price of not playing a specialist 7

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                                                            • Higgins
                                                              Higgins last edited by

                                                              Detective work results in identifying Mr. James Doleman as the referee. He has had just the three Mitre10 Cup matches (all in 2016) and ten Heartland Championship games (four in 2014, four in 2015 and two in 2016).

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                                                              • Higgins
                                                                Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                                What a bollocks decision, clearly the BoP 12 was miles offside and probably another player closer to the ruck as well prior to the knock on.

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                                                                • Stockcar86
                                                                  Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                                  Looks like all the 50/50 calls going against us

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                                                                  • Higgins
                                                                    Higgins @Stockcar86 last edited by Higgins

                                                                    @Stockcar86 said in BOP v Magpies:

                                                                    HB paying the price of not playing a specialist 7

                                                                    Nor specialist 15 and 6, and you could almost add number 9 to that as well.

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                                                                    • Higgins
                                                                      Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                                      I suppose we can hope for repeat of both team's last games where BoP got dusted up in the second half to blow a similar sized lead and Southland turned to poop against the Magpies.

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                                                                      • Stockcar86
                                                                        Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                                        Fuck get Allardice off

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                                                                        • Stockcar86
                                                                          Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                                          Hann was tackled in the air there

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                                                                            Higgins last edited by

                                                                            Was the HB new winger played in the air from that Ihia West cross kick?

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                                                                            • Stockcar86
                                                                              Stockcar86 last edited by

                                                                              aaaaaaaand, that's why you need a large #8. Good try Mikaele-Tu'u

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                                                                              • Higgins
                                                                                Higgins @Stockcar86 last edited by Higgins

                                                                                @Stockcar86 said in BOP v Magpies:

                                                                                Hann was tackled in the air there

                                                                                See, that illegal play has destroyed his confidence judging by that cock up.

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                                                                                • Stockcar86
                                                                                  Stockcar86 last edited by Stockcar86

                                                                                  No penalty for taking out the halfback there. Eaton was not bound, so no way could they drive on him

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                                                                                  • Higgins
                                                                                    Higgins last edited by

                                                                                    That looked to be a deliberate forward pass by Hepetemer so should have been a penalty to HB

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