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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by Duluth

      Otago

      1 Craig Millar
      2 Sam Anderson-Heather
      3 Hisa Sasagi
      4 Josh Furno
      5 Josh Dickson
      6 Dillon Hunt
      7 James Lentjes
      8 Adam Knight
      9 Josh Renton
      10 Josh Ioane
      11 Jona Nareki
      12 Teihorangi Walden
      13 Sio Tomkinson
      14 Leroy van Dam
      15 Vilimoni Koroi

      Reserves:
      16 Sekonaia Pole
      17 Aki Seiuli
      18 Donald Brighouse
      19 Blair Tweed
      20 Sione Teu
      21 Jono Ruru
      22 Fletcher Smith
      23 Latu Vaeno

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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer last edited by

        Magpies

        1 Jason Long (vc)
        2 Jorian Tangaere
        3 Pouri Rakete-Stones
        4 Nick Palmer
        5 Josh Eden-Whaitiri
        6 Lucas Goodin
        7 Hugh Renton
        8 Marino Mikaele-Tu'u
        9 Brad Weber (c)
        10 Tiaan Falcon
        11 Sam McNicol
        12 Cardiff Vaega
        13 Hayden Hann
        14 Jonah Lowe
        15 Richard Buckman

        Reserves:
        16 Jacob Devery
        17 Mark Braidwood
        18 Jarvy Aoake
        19 Ben Parsons
        20 Fa'alemiga Selesele
        21 Ellery Wilson
        22 Dan Snee
        23 TJ Vaega

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        • Higgins
          Higgins last edited by Higgins

          Just got back to Wgtn from the Schools Finals in Palmy and discover HB down 24 - 00 after 22 minutes. Sheesus we must be shittier than shite. No wonder it is so quiet in here.

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          • Higgins
            Higgins last edited by Higgins

            Quick call the ambulance I think the scoreboard attendant is in danger of having a heart attack resulting from the unimaginable happening of HB scoring a converted try. It is something that you could put in the miraculous category if the play I have seen had mirrored the 20 minutes I had missed.

            HB 07 - 31 Otago after 33 minutes

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            • Higgins
              Higgins last edited by Higgins

              I predict the next eight minutes or so chould well be the best the Magpies have. Sadly those eight minutes are the half time break.

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              • Stargazer
                Stargazer last edited by

                Man, this is so depressing. Shit game, shit season. And we all knew it in advance. But what can you expect with an 11 men injury list and shit recruiting.

                The early replacement of Falcon and Rakete-Stones didn't look to be caused by injury. Is this Philpott's way of punishing his players? Then why is Vaega still on the field?

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                • S
                  Steven Harris last edited by Steven Harris

                  I know how you guys are feeling..this was Northland in 2015/2016,we had a lot of young guys,with not a hell of lot of experience,and when you consider the super rugby personal you have unavailable ..!,5 in the pack that I can think of.

                  You have got 3 or 4 under 20 boys,it would have been a hell of a lot better,to have introduced them with some experienced guys around them..

                  Look at Canterbury,similar number of under 20 guys,but if you can slip into an environment with guys Bird,Hodgeman,Jager,Princeep,Whitelock in the pack,Drummond,Mounga,Bateman and Bridge to name a few,all with super rugby experience,

                  As a Northlander,I have soft spot for Hawkes Bay,as when teams were looking to be culled many seasons ago,Hawkes Bay were one of the few Unions that supported the Taniwha..
                  So hang in there..!

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                  • Higgins
                    Higgins last edited by

                    I don't know where we go from here. The usual comfortable four or five pointers you could rely on from Northland and North Harbour are now no longer realistic probabilities and not having Auckland on the fixture list is also a blow. Is there any possibility we might scavenge a bonus point or two somewhere along the line?

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                      Steven Harris @Higgins last edited by

                      @Higgins To be honest,unless you can get some more experienced heads back on deck,I don't see a win coming anytime soon.
                      The problem I can see,some of the heads are are starting to go down,even though the Bay were beaten by Wellington,I thought they showed some ticker,

                      Set piece is a real issue,and the tackling today has been very poor..What's happened to Mark Abbott...?

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                      • Stockcar86
                        Stockcar86 last edited by

                        Abbott is off overseas already

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                          Steven Harris @Stockcar86 last edited by

                          @Stockcar86 thanks for that,I was looking through your injury list,by my reckoning looks like you have almost a full playing XV,and McNicol looks like he now has rib damaged..probably sums things up..

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                          • Higgins
                            Higgins last edited by

                            What was C Vaega thinking then when he twice rushed up out of line and ran past the attacking Otago player without even getting near him, end result yet another try.

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                            • Stockcar86
                              Stockcar86 last edited by

                              How was that not a yellow card

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                              • Higgins
                                Higgins last edited by

                                OK, I'll administer the final rites
                                Hawkes Bay 21 - 64 Otago
                                Highlight of the Day: The referee blowing for full time.

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                                • Stockcar86
                                  Stockcar86 last edited by

                                  Not feeling confident about us taking The Shield off Counties next week

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                                  • Nepia
                                    Nepia last edited by Nepia

                                    Well that was embarrassing.

                                    Lets just roll out the Hastings Boys 1st XV for the rest of the season - they surely can't do any worse.

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                                    • Stargazer
                                      Stargazer last edited by

                                      Our U20 boys are indeed struggling. I'm not surprised; they have just been thrown in the deep end, esp Pouri and Marino. Devery is also a pup and not up to it yet. I hope this doesn't make them lose their confidence completely, but seeing the look on Falcon's face straight after he was subbed off, I'm worried.

                                      On top of that, we played with 5 players of our development team; Snee was a good replacement at 10, but with all these new additions to the team, we just lack good combinations. Worst thing is that it even affects the experienced players. Bucky had a bad day.

                                      Jonah Lowe gets a passmark for a great try and relentless effort. Weber, too; must have been frustrating to play behind a pack that went backwards in the scrum all the time. Hope Ben May and Ash Dixon are back soon. We need our few big boys.

                                      I also think it needs to be said that we didn't lose because of a lack of effort from the boys. They kept on trying until the final whistle.

                                      And that injury list keeps on growing, despite Wilson now coming back.
                                      Hope the injury to McNicol (rib?) isn't too bad. Braidwood's head knock looked more serious. Not sure what Mikaele-Tu'u's injury was that made Goodin come back on again.

                                      Oh, and I can't believe that high tackle wasn't penalised.

                                      I've never thought and said this before, but I wish the season was already over.

                                      Thankfully, we have Hastings Boys' great season to celebrate.

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                                      • Stargazer
                                        Stargazer @Stockcar86 last edited by

                                        @Stockcar86 When are they taking it off Canterbury?

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                                        • Stargazer
                                          Stargazer @Nepia last edited by

                                          @Nepia Geez, no, this season is already bad for our pups in the squad. Don't want those Hastings Boys to experience this horrible season, too.

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                                          • Stockcar86
                                            Stockcar86 @Stargazer last edited by

                                            @Stargazer said in Magpies v Otago:

                                            @Stockcar86 When are they taking it off Canterbury?

                                            Wednesday

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                                            • Number 10
                                              Number 10 last edited by Number 10

                                              11 of the HB 23 that played today are 22 years old or under.

                                              13 of the 23 are only in their first or second season of NPC.

                                              That is a hell of a lot of inexperience out there today.

                                              Magpies player of the day was Dan Snee who is 33, which I think underlines the inexperience around him.

                                              Mikaele-Tu'u looked okay at the aftermatch, but Sam McNicol is going for X-rays tomorrow.

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                                              • Higgins
                                                Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                Inexperience is often thrown around as a reason why things do not go as you had expected/planned them to. For instance you could proffer that as one of the reasons why our lineout was such a disaster today however every player involved knows how to jump, lift, block or throw the ball in so frankly it does not wash in this instance. OK sure they might not have played together as a combination all that much but they do train together so have the opportunity to rehearse things beforehand.
                                                Funnily enough the same thing happens with high balls. You practice catching them from the day you start playing the game (or at least did in my day when a successful catch in force back gained you a 10 metre advance in the many games we played after school and before dinner time summer and winter). Ditto kicking off both feet when successful shots at goal with the opposite foot were worth double points. Inexperience does not cause you to drop a ball, nor miss a regulation tackle, through a crap pass, fail to pass when you should, kick when you shouldn't or pass when you should kick etc etc Most of the players in our squad will have been playing the game for anywhere between ten and twenty or more years - how much experience do you need?
                                                Our current situation seems to be a combination of many many things like players being selected in incorrect positions, injuries (which never help matters), not having the right players to pick from in the first place, lack of confidence, fear of making mistakes, other teams having better players than us, coaching, game plans not suiting the players involved or not appropriate to the opposition, the inability to change tactics on the field (captaincy or senior players) and the fear of straying from what the coaching team devise for the game and there are sure to others which I have not included here.
                                                We are all expert at analyzing and advising solutions from our seats in the grandstand or the lounge but we are unaware of what is really the reason behind such results we are having to endure eg there could be players out there playing at 80% of fitness coming back from injury simply because there is no one else available. Whatever it is it is making our 80 minutes a very unenjoyable duty that we are obligated to go through and frankly at the moment it is like sitting on a train racing downhill with no brakes and a sharp bend not too far away. Please let our train driver get the brakes working before we hit that bend.

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                                                • Number 10
                                                  Number 10 @Higgins last edited by

                                                  @Higgins said in Magpies v Otago:

                                                  Inexperience is often thrown around as a reason why things do not go as you had expected/planned them to. For instance you could proffer that as one of the reasons why our lineout was such a disaster today however every player involved knows how to jump, lift, block or throw the ball in so frankly it does not wash in this instance. OK sure they might not have played together as a combination all that much but they do train together so have the opportunity to rehearse things beforehand.
                                                  Funnily enough the same thing happens with high balls. You practice catching them from the day you start playing the game (or at least did in my day when a successful catch in force back gained you a 10 metre advance in the many games we played after school and before dinner time summer and winter). Ditto kicking off both feet when successful shots at goal with the opposite foot were worth double points. Inexperience does not cause you to drop a ball, nor miss a regulation tackle, through a crap pass, fail to pass when you should, kick when you shouldn't or pass when you should kick etc etc Most of the players in our squad will have been playing the game for anywhere between ten and twenty or more years - how much experience do you need?
                                                  Our current situation seems to be a combination of many many things like players being selected in incorrect positions, injuries (which never help matters), not having the right players to pick from in the first place, lack of confidence, fear of making mistakes, other teams having better players than us, coaching, game plans not suiting the players involved or not appropriate to the opposition, the inability to change tactics on the field (captaincy or senior players) and the fear of straying from what the coaching team devise for the game and there are sure to others which I have not included here.
                                                  We are all expert at analyzing and advising solutions from our seats in the grandstand or the lounge but we are unaware of what is really the reason behind such results we are having to endure eg there could be players out there playing at 80% of fitness coming back from injury simply because there is no one else available. Whatever it is it is making our 80 minutes a very unenjoyable duty that we are obligated to go through and frankly at the moment it is like sitting on a train racing downhill with no brakes and a sharp bend not too far away. Please let our train driver get the brakes working before we hit that bend.

                                                  So you are talking about inexperience.

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                                                  • Higgins
                                                    Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                    Not necessarily, you can pick a gym bunny that has a million dollar physique a wonderful personality and smile that looks good on TV but can't play to save himself ahead of a rugged coalminer with a gruff exterior and who is physically tough and gets on with the job without any fanfare, if your coach does that then it is not inexperience it is simply poor selecting. I suppose you could get me here citing a couple of league converts the Bay has had (and I don't include Ryan Tongia in this) that proved to be big let downs but that was surely selectorial failure rather the rugby inexperience of the players concerned.
                                                    I might not throw a cut out pass to the left simply because my pass that way is not always lengthy or accurate and I'm worried the intended recipient might not be able to take it, that's not inexperience. Similarly stepping off my left foot is not attempted because of too many past failures.

                                                    Ma'a Nonu and Jason Shoemark both played big numbers of games for their respective teams. Without being disrespectful to anyone one player was better than the other but that does not make the other player inexperienced

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                                                    • Stargazer
                                                      Stargazer last edited by

                                                      ... there were more injuries with winger Sam McNicol leaving the field with a rib injury and prop Mark Braidwood with a broken cheekbone.
                                                      
                                                      "Ten of our 18 selected forwards are unavailable to play at the moment," Philpott said.
                                                      
                                                      (...)
                                                      
                                                      "They were able to watch our game against Wellington on Wednesday night as part of that week while we had one training run with several new players. Some of those players we brought in aren't up to this level and they are aware of that."
                                                      
                                                      When asked if yesterday's loss signalled the end of the Magpies quest to secure a semifinal berth Philpott replied:
                                                      
                                                      "I'm not concerned about points tables at the moment. I'm just worried about controlling the things we can control and developing our players who are available to play so they can be more competitive at this level.
                                                      

                                                      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=11920785

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                                                      • Stargazer
                                                        Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

                                                        Eye-gouging (or friendly fire)? It looks like Hugh Renton is lucky to still have his right eye!

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