@antipodean said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

2011 was cathartic for me. Going back to back in 2015 made me as happy as Test rugby could. If we do the three-peat in 2019, I'd suggest the RWC could be irrevocably damaged.

Let it burn

The lions strike back

@Hooroo said in Coronavirus memes:

@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus memes:

My next door neighbour has just been diagnosed with COVID-19 and rushed to hospital.

He's been put on one of the new Dyson ventilators.

He's picking up nicely now.

Oh Man! I was typing a reply saying that is a good news story and then realised the thread I was in.

You almost got sucked right in..... I'll get my coat

@antipodean can't see them making their emissions targets this year either.....

@NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@canefan said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@nzzp said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

Seriously, though, we talked about this with Henry as well. They will put systems in place to generate the players with attributes they need. Hansen's just done this wtih props - get mobile, or get gone. Simple.

It's about systems. We don't have any of note.

MacQueen and his team came together at just the right time and it took more than a year to get them pointed in the same direction

Was McKenzie on track before he fiddled and got caught?

Hard to say. From all reports, he had his favorites and would stick with them regardless.

Maybe his attitude was better (or better expressed) than Cheika. But look at that tweet from Quade - does that look like the culture was of a high standard when that guy is your first choice?

Genia's got an attitude problem as well. Many in Australia will refuse to countenance that.

While the Reds were winning, nobody cared

Some of the bad eggs, like Genia, are gone now anyway. You guys need new up and comers and someone to change the culture. Wait, I have just the man

@virgil said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

A lot of fathers here, just imagine your little girl brings home her new boyfriend to show you. In walks that fat fuck, do you reach for the machete you have stashed in the shed or run next door to grab your neighbours .22 ?

I think you'll need a .303

TSF is like an island in a sea of shit right now

At a bar 1km from Yokohama stadium. It is stonking hot and sunny. Lucky the beer is cold

@R-L said in Hawt discussion (lots of PG13 gifs/pics):

I do miss baron though....

Use a bigger scope

@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:

@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:

@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:

@victor-meldrew sorry to hear that, there are always failings unfortunately and there are good and bad hospitals, GP centres, even whole ccgs that are overall worse than others . And I am biased having worked in the NHS my adult life, my experiences have been positive, a few disappointments but overall positive as a patient.

Thanks, but not an isolated incident, sadly. As a patient, have you had treatment in other countries/systems?

My optimistic little self always sees room for improvement and I know I've seen huge positive changes in our area with regards to ways of working, I hope more lessons are learned!

The vaccine rollout has been a huge success and poss. shows the way forward - imaginative thinking, great leadership (Kate Bingham deserves several damehoods, IMHO) combining the strengths of the private sector and the NHS and above all, focussing on the end result and not worrying about who delivers what to patients. Just hope it's used as a model for other stuff.

I have

Kidney stones in Japan.

Zero pain relief. It was rough.

I went to a hospital in Tokyo with an infection. Service was excellent

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan i can't. Please help me.
If you take medicine for inflamed joint pain and the medicine gives you a stomach ache.
The joint pain didn't cause the stomach ache.
Covid didn't cause any loss of income and business closures. And it certainly didn't cause the harm on future economics.

Lockdowns and furlough weren't a compulsory response to covid. That's the whole point, we copied a Chinese totalitarian strategy and discarded years of pandemic plans. That's some history that no one can alter.

By the way, what's with the sudden, " if you don't know i can't help you" bullshit featuring on fern discussions these days?

Either have the patience to debate or don't. Both are fine. Reminds me of the religious when asked to prove God exists

They may have pandemic plans. But covid19 is the biggest baddest most widespread outbreak in my lifetime. Hence the proportionally serious response. Almost every country in the modern world has used lockdowns as part of their management of the pandemic. Some made that decision after realising that staying open wasn't working

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:

@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan
You can't make people have it, you'd just hope they'd see the bigger picture. The longer we stay in the covid grip of waves and restrictions people suffer.
I know others have mentioned above but its health, mental health, its people's jobs and businesses etc.
If anyone has a suggestion to get us out of this other than vaccination then I'd love to hear it.

Great point. It may be a public health issue, but it has far reaching consequences for all health sectors, and most importantly the economy. The UK will be wanting to trg to turn around the 9.9% drop in GDP

The economy decline wasn't due to covid. That's a consequence of human decisions, not a virus response to the economy. That's a trade off for the covid response. Is that a fair thing to say?

Covid caused a health crisis of epic proportions. That triggered the lockdown. That fucked the economy. Our viewpoints are polar opposites

Triggered and caused are different. I know I'm being difficult mate but we need to be precise. Covid didn't cause the economy free-fall. The policy makers did. Remember every country had a previous pandemic plan and large scale lockdowns for so long have never been used before, precisely because of the collateral damage.

If you can't see the flaw in your argument I can't help you

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:

@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan
You can't make people have it, you'd just hope they'd see the bigger picture. The longer we stay in the covid grip of waves and restrictions people suffer.
I know others have mentioned above but its health, mental health, its people's jobs and businesses etc.
If anyone has a suggestion to get us out of this other than vaccination then I'd love to hear it.

Great point. It may be a public health issue, but it has far reaching consequences for all health sectors, and most importantly the economy. The UK will be wanting to trg to turn around the 9.9% drop in GDP

The economy decline wasn't due to covid. That's a consequence of human decisions, not a virus response to the economy. That's a trade off for the covid response. Is that a fair thing to say?

Covid caused a health crisis of epic proportions. That triggered the lockdown. That fucked the economy. Our viewpoints are polar opposites

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020#death-occurrences-in-2020-and-five-year-averages-for-influenza-and-pneumonia

@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan
You can't make people have it, you'd just hope they'd see the bigger picture. The longer we stay in the covid grip of waves and restrictions people suffer.
I know others have mentioned above but its health, mental health, its people's jobs and businesses etc.
If anyone has a suggestion to get us out of this other than vaccination then I'd love to hear it.

Great point. It may be a public health issue, but it has far reaching consequences for all health sectors, and most importantly the economy. The UK will be wanting to trg to turn around the 9.9% drop in GDP

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:

@r-l I'm definitely pro vax. Don't have a lot of time for the idea that individuals have a choice. It's selfish, pure and simple IMHO

That's quite a precedent there. It's also one I respect as your decision.
Just for covid or any threat? E.g. War, abstinence from alcohol. I'm guessing it's situation specific just to covid....for now

You are grasping. I'll deal with facts. Here is a stat from UK government health site

Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.

To coin a phrase from the original AVx Ferner, it isn't just the flu

@r-l I'm definitely pro vax. Don't have a lot of time for the idea that individuals have a choice. It's selfish, pure and simple IMHO

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:

@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

@kruse ok, do I insist my 18 month old nephew gets vaccinated? Is that logic or religion?

The science does not indicate vaccination for an 18 month old. I don't see what point you are trying to make

Why not?

I'm making the point that "the science" ( amazing that we think there is only one science) is not as clear cut as people are reducing it too. There are many questions, but you're the first I've encountered with answers

What about his 8 year old brother? What is the vaccine cut off and why is it that age?

What about pregnant women?

Genuine questions if you know the answers

The science does not indicate vaccination for children period. In NZ vaccination for pregnant women is not contraindicated. Apparently vaccination for children ad young as 12 is fine, in line with many vaccinations. But in NZ its 16 and over. Probably supply related and relative risk