The fact that they’ve picked a team that so many on the Fern wanted makes me nervous. As a collective we have a strong proven record of not having a fucking clue what we are talking about.
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RE: MotM vs Australia II
I missed the game as my wife decided to go into labor - as a Wallabies supporter I guess from her perspective childbirth is less painful than watching them play the ABs so fair enough.
Have caught the highlights - geez we scored some great tries eh? Squire's was a thing of beauty, the angle he ran and the perfectly timed ball from BBBR. Orgasmic. Also loved how Moody lined up a couple of backs on their goalline and just smashed the fuck through them.
Great to see us put Beauden into some space as well, he's a very different player to Carter but fuck we can tear teams apart if we use him like we did last night.
RE: Support the Fern
You were asking for feedback from anyone that thinks this is a bad idea. I think it's a great idea, but, the only thing I'd say is that given people are paying I hope you don't feel more responsibility/pressure to keep delivering new features etc. Obviously the improvements you've been making are awesome, but also appreciate that you both have lives so I wouldn't want this to encroach on your personal lives too much.
I think I speak for everyone when I say we are pitching in to keep the site running, and away from the prying eyes of our overlords Google, so we don't expect you to suddenly increase your workload now that members are putting in a couple of dollars.
Really appreciate the effort you guys have put in to give us all a place to rant about our favourite sports (as well as other things).
RE: All Blacks v France Test #2
@MiketheSnow Fall could have avoided the collision by checking his run. The current laws have actually outlawed "only having eyes on the ball". They've mandated that players must be more aware when chasing high balls. And that's what he was doing - chasing, whereas Beauden was fielding the kick. The duty of care is on the chaser.
They did that to stop players clattering into their opposition while staring at the sky and then claiming innocence.
I don't for a second believe Fall intentionally tried to injure Beauden. But as it stands Beauden landed on his head and was concussed.
And you can bet your ass next time Fall is chasing a high ball like that he will check his run and avoid the collision, which is exactly the behaviour WR is trying to encourage with this.
RE: RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
Well shit, that all went extremely pear shaped.
England did to us what we did to Ireland last week, only when we get that dominance up front we score a lot more points. They came out firing and put us on the back foot from the get go then never let up. Massive credit there, that was a huge performance. Have they played their final though?
For us, after the initial onslaught we did somewhat get ourselves back into the game, but just pushed too many 50/50 plays and kept coughing it up at crucial times.
Cane was huge for us last week to nullify the Irish pack in the first 40. He's always been someone that thrives in the tight exchanges early on, so benching him was a pretty baffling deicison TBH. SB was OK but Cane provides a point of difference.
I love me some Jordie but he was only meant to be a squaddie. BFA on the bench would have been smart, especially given how early it is in Mo'unga's career. I would have subbed Richie early in the 2nd 40 and put Beauden back to 10. Experience matters in knock out matches and we needed calm heads after going behind early.
I was also surprised we didn't try and play Rieko into some form given how much of a game breaker he is.
But all of that is really just details when the forwards get smacked around like that. The English pack was amazing and Itoje showed just how good he is on the biggest possible stage.
It's been 12 years since we got knocked out of a RWC. I wasn't super confident we could get up a 3rd time, though the Irish game did give me some hope, but at the end of the day England were too good on the night. If you think back to 2015 we struggled to get up for the semi final against an SA team that had just lost to Japan. This time around we hit a far superior side.
So all in all I blame Ireland for losing to Japan and putting us on the wrong side of the bloody draw.
RE: Christchurch Gunman in Mosque
So I've seen some right leaning publications stating that the Al-Noor Mosque has ties to extremism, so I did a bit of digging to see if there was any validity to their claims.
Summary: no, not really.
Basically, the claim comes from the fact that two brothers - Daryl and Nathan Jones converted to Islam at this Mosque. Daryl ended up being radicalized and joined Al-Qaeda and was killed in a drone strike. Nathan didn't, and denounced extremism in all forms. It is likely Daryl was radicalized online.
Some more history of the Mosque:
- historically speaking, the Muslim community has been dominated by South Asians that practice a moderate form of Sunni Islam.
- in more recent times, due largely to resettling refugees, there has been an increase in Somali and Arab Muslims - these Muslims are much more conservative.
- the Somali and Arab Muslims place a greater importance on the Mosque in their daily lives and as such have taken control of MAC, who run it. This is largely due to social reasons - they are generally in a lower socio-economic group than the South Asians and do not speak great English, so have found it more difficult to integrate. The Mosque is somewhere they can go and feel like they belong.
- in 2003 controversy broke out within the Muslim community. Basically, to assist the community financially, a major Arab charity called Al-Haramain offered financial assistance.
- this charity is pro-Wahabi with suspected ties to Al-Qaeda. Despite the fact this would have provided substantial financial assistance, the Muslim community rejected this as they did not want any ties to potential extremists. They also did not want to change the Mosque to only ultra-conservative teachings.
- there is also some underlying tensions between the South Asians and the Somali and Arab Muslims as they practice different teachings of Islam.
That's what I came up with in terms of ties to extremist groups. Just wanted to put this out there to provide a bit of nuance as you only ever get one side in our biased media organisations.
RE: Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
Without reading the whole thread I really dislike this idea that we are "keeping the powder dry' for the RWC. It just shits all over the All Blacks legacy. Like really? Another historic loss to Ireland because we want to keep our winning game plan up our sleeve? Fuck that shit, the All Blacks should be playing every game like it's a RWC final - win at all costs. I was really proud of our record against teams like Ireland. These losses really hurt.
RE: Racism in NZ
A couple of days ago a white privilege hashtag was trending on twitter, where a bunch of white people talked about how they have privilege and what they get away with because of it. So my wife put out the call on her Facebook for people to talk about their white privilege (yeah she likes to debate people...).
Anyway she had a Canadian guy that has worked as a teacher in northern and predominantly native population schools talk about the racism his kids experienced, being called savages etc. and that he has white privilege as it doesn't happen to him.
I got her permission to post her response as she does a good job of articulating the problems with the idea of white privilege and why we need to stop going on about it all the time:
I think it is absolutely abhorrent for people to direct that type of language to anyone let alone children. I don’t dispute that your students have dealt with racism, and unfortunately, they probably will for the rest of their lives, I say this because I am in their shoes. No amount of legislation or multiculturalism will ever get rid of hateful ideas like racism, there will always be hateful people for whatever reason. I think the work you have done with indigenous kids and children in general is commendable, teachers play one of the most important roles in shaping society. I really admire people like you because I was raised by teachers, and some of the best role models I have had in my life have been my teachers (all of whom were white). The way I see racism and how I would explain it especially to young people of colour is that when I was their age, I wish someone would have told me that my worth does not come from the colour of my skin. I have come to learn that as a human being, I don’t derive any value from skin colour, just like I don’t place any value on my eye colour or my hair colour as they are just immutable human characteristics that I have no control over whatsoever. It comes from the things that I have worked for; like being a good mother, a person of good character and a good lawyer. This is what Martin Luther King Jr meant when he said that a person should not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character. I am a Torres Strait Islander which makes me an indigenous Australian. My biggest concern is for kids from indigenous and minority backgrounds not just in Australia but from all over the world. I worry about their mindset and the impact ideas such as white privilege has on their mental health. I say that particularly because indigenous kids in Australia (and in fact NZ) suffer from high rates of depression, anxiety and suicide, granted there are various reasons for that but this is an important one. The focus on race and skin colour has very bad consequences for their mental health and this was the case for me growing up in NZ. A lot of kids from indigenous and minority backgrounds face poverty and domestic violence and when you throw in the idea that society is rigged against us, how can you expect us to have a positive outlook on life? Take for example a young indigenous girl in Australia, and she is one of many who has taken her life, in her last Facebook post she talked about how racist the world was. It makes my blood boil that kids are being told that they have no hope before they even have the chance to properly experience the world. The whole concept of white privilege promotes the idea that indigenous and minority kids have no chance, when we know that privilege exists in many different forms and that not all white people are privileged. Privilege does not solely come from skin colour, we need to stop giving our children that message. I would also add that I think the idea of white privilege is reprehensible and it is not because some white people are not privileged, people from various backgrounds have privileges. But the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of the individuals of that group; there is nothing more racist than that.
RE: AB EOYT 2018
So they'll pick Frizzel from the Highlanders bench, raw as all fuck with about 100 "work ons" and even put him into the starting 15.
But they'll make Akira, dominating at Super level, wait and wait and wait because they've identified some small areas he needs to improve on.
RE: Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz
I'm not overly concerned if someone crashes and dies while fleeing the police. Seems like a pretty easy situation to avoid.
RE: All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
I reckon Poite got it right. Now I expect that to go down on here like a glass of warm urine, but nonetheless I feel like I can back it up.
I also think it's fair that AB fans feel a bit aggrieved. I would if it happened to the Wallabies. For me it was a genuine 50/50 call, with a lot of grey areas. I've written more about it here if you are really desperate for more (the comments are quite interesting).
At the very least, his decision to call a scrum is justifiable under law 11. It's miles from a Wayne Barnes forward pass scenario, or even a Bryce Lawrence at the 2011 RWC QF scenario.
It's a fascinating discussion once you remove the emotion. Really comes back to the idea of intent and what it is to 'play the ball'.
Sorry @barbarian but your article quotes the wrong laws. There's a specific law for offside from a knock on. You've quoted laws from 11.1 - Offside in general play and 11.6 - Accidental offside.
The only law that comes into play here is 11.7 Offside after a knock-on as that is what happened.
When a player knocks-on and an offside team-mate next plays the ball, the offside player is liable to sanction if playing the ball prevented an opponent from gaining an advantage.
So all we have to consider is:
- Did he play at the ball? Unquestionably yes, he caught it.
- Did he prevent the opponent from gaining an advantage? Unquestionably yes, he stopped the All Black players coming through from regaining possession immediately. ALB did well to seize the opportunity after he dropped it but that doesn't change the fact he stopped us from regaining it sooner.
That is what Read was trying to say to Poite - accidental offside doesn't come into play from a knock on. It has it's own separate law and that has been ruled consistently for as long as I've watched rugby. Players realising too late that they've played at a ball that was knocked on happens all the time - that doesn't change the decision.
RE: All Blacks v France Test #1
@mariner4life We've played two fullbacks and a power winger for a long time. It works.
I disagree with Crotty and ALB. They individually had very average games in terms of execution and decision making. How that combined becomes brilliant you'll have to explain.
brilliant may have been over-doing it, but they created a lot of opportunities for a couple of blokes playing their first game together in a while. To me (and bear in mind i was watching on a phone while in a restaurant) the errors looked more to be execution than judgement, and I'm not chucking Crotty under the bus for having square wheels, or ALB dropping the ball when about to get fucking smoked because they ran a move that would embarrass an U14 side.
I guess i can't see any player running around who would make a better combination.
Yes, i know we have played the 2 fullbacks thing for ages, fucking duh. But with different personnel back there.
I agree, they compliment each other well and IIRC carved up a couple of seasons ago when they strung a few games together. We don't get the strong ball runner you get in Laumape, but we get a lot of other big benefits.
And regarding your Jordie comments, I've alerted the Canes mafia. Expect the backlash to be swift and ruthless.
Aren't you the Don? Especially when discussing your chief button man Jordie Barretto.
We share the duties around. I come down hard on anyone that misspeaks about Jordie. @Rancid-Schnitzel has Beauden covered, and we've recruited @Stargazer to white knight Scott as he plays for the Crusaders at the moment.
RE: Why this feels different...
It's funny, if you'd asked me what would hurt more, the All Blacks or Black Caps coming up short in the WCs, I'd have said the ABs all day long.
But here we are. I'm still genuinely not over the CWC. That one really hurt for so many reasons, namely:
- It felt like a once in a lifetime opportunity for the BCs to get a WC.
- They played well enough to get it done, but were cruelly denied by:
- An absurd deflection for 4 from Stokes bat at an absolutely crucial time.
- The umpires then inexplicably gave 6 runs instead of 5 which meant England were able to draw.
- The Super over then heavily favoured the English as they got to bat first so their set batsmen just kept going.
- Despite that we did enough to win, except hang on a second, the ICC has, for reasons unknown to anyone that knows even the first thing about cricket, decided boundaries hit is more important than wickets lost.
The combination of the multiple injustices and the very rare chances the BCs get to win tournaments has made that result impossible to swallow.
This ABs loss has none of those things. We were just outplayed by a team that played much better rugby on the night. In fact for us to win we would have had to steal that against the run of play, rather than really deserving it. We've also won the thing 3 times, and will get many more chances to win it again.
Don't get me wrong, it does hurt and I'm pretty bloody pissed at some of the decisions from the coaches and selectors that fed into this comprehensive defeat, which have been well covered already.
2007 hurt the most for me because I'm too young to remember 1987, so had grown up supporting the best team in the world that kept falling over at WCs. After getting so utterly screwed by one of the most incompetent reffing performances ever I was starting to doubt we'd ever win the damn thing again. Thank fuck for 2011 and 2015!
RE: RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
What a half that was. Slicing open the famous Irish defense for three first half tries is no mean feat. The dual playmaker is giving us so many points of attack.
But, our pack should take a bow. Unlike recent encounters with the Irish we dominated the collisions from the get go and really had them shell-shocked from early on as our runners close in smashed over the advantage line, followed up by crunching tackles knocking the ball loose. That's the best 40 we've seen from our pack in a long while, hoping they've kept a bit in the tank to close the game out.
RE: Possible All Blacks 2020
@Duluth I can't be the lone ranger upset that Frizell, despite his obvious athletic gifts, doesn't display the intent to legally commit grievous bodily harm on the field.
I like the ginger from Auckland, but he's going to need to play flanker more than lock to squeeze himself into the squad.
Our national obsession with fit forwards who have skills leads us to these cycles where we run out of guys in NZ rugby who just like to hurt people. Good teams still need old fashioned aggression.
Great observation, and another reason Cane was so badly missed in the semi.
RE: Blues v Sharks
Man, these are tough times for Blues supporters.
Had a good night overall with the boy, was fun getting along to Eden Park, but fucking hell the Blues are exasperating to watch. The crowd got into it as best they could, made some noise and tried to generate some atmosphere, but the Blues just didn't show up to play. Honestly the fans deserve so much better than that.
At one point I looked at my boy and he was sitting there with his head in his hands after the Sharks scored yet again. I'm starting to think I shouldn't be subjecting him to this, it's getting borderline child abuse. Poor little man - we've been to a few Blues games now and he's still yet to see them win a game live.
A few random thoughts anyway:
- The Blues were taking an age to get back onside after a half break, and they missed a fucking shitload of straightforward tackles. The defense was utterly woeful, every time the Sharks had the ball you thought they were going to score.
- On the flip-side, the Blues actually looked very dangerous with ball in hand and scored some very good tries, albeit more through individual brilliance than anything else.
- So given they actually looked dangerous with ball in hand, why the hell did they keep kicking it? And not just kicking, but fucking awful kicks.
- When the Sharks had a man in the bin the Blues decided to keep the ball in hand and they started carving up. Then when he came back on they reverted to type - Faiane's two kicks were criminal and a big moment in the match - the Sharks promptly scored after being gifted possession on a platter and the momentum swung back their way. But the woeful kicking was a feature throughout. Just utterly braindead stuff.
- Rieko is wasted at 12. Every time there was something on I thought "spin it to Rieko... oh wait he's not out there to take advantage of the space". He's the best winger in the world, get him the fuck back on the wing.
- Moala should be on the other wing - he's powerful as fuck and his lack of passing/vision is not an issue out there. He played well.
- Akira was awesome again, and it was great to see Pat T hitting a bit of form. His try was the moment of the night.
Conceding 63 points at home to the Sharks, who are pretty fucking far from the best team in the comp (the Rebels slapped them!) is absolutely nowhere near good enough. It's one thing to lose, but to lose in that manner then heads have to roll. Sorry Tana, the buck stops with you.
RE: Blues v Highlanders
umaga must go after this, pathetic effort from the blues.
Listening to Tana and razor on radio sport this week was like chalk and cheese. Umaga clearly out of his depth at this level
Yup, we've got to stop rushing former players into head coaching roles way before they are ready. Tana has been an unmitigated disaster similar to Hammett.
I have a lot of empathy with the Blues fans, it was bloody tough going as a Canes fan for years, to the point that people jumped ship (you know who you are). And our record was nowhere near as bad!
Hang in there, a coach worth his salt can turn your boys around. Can't happen soon enough.
RE: All Blacks v Springboks
We're building a good list of scapegoats now:
Jordie - outrageous quick throw with Bok defenders everywhere
Rieko - bundled into touch too often / called for quick throw then ran away from it
ALB - dumb intercept gifting them a try / ignored A Smith on his outside butchering a try Folau style
Beauden - woeful kicking, both at goal and in general play
Read - buck stops with the captain when setting up the winning play (drop goal FFS)
TJP - butchered a try running the complete wrong angle and got cut down by a big fat no. 8
DMac - poor ball security on the final play when we had an overlap
Think that covers it - anyone else we can hate on?
RE: CWC - The Other Semi Final
As an aside, I've really enjoyed the battle between bat & ball this WC. None of this see who can outscore each other with ridiculous totals; batsmen that have shown application have scored plenty but there's also been plenty there for the bowlers.
Actually makes it fun to watch both innings instead of just the batting. Henry & Boult carving the Indians up in the first 10 was some of the most exciting cricket I've watched.
RE: Ashes 2019
Stokes deserves all the plaudits.WC final and now this. Pressure means nothing to him and that’s what separates the great from the all time great.
A very very special sportsman.
No, fuck Stokes and fuck his bullshit deflection for four and fuck the umpires for giving him 6 fucking runs instead of 5. In summary fuck that lucky fluffybunny.
And no, I’m not yet over the CWC.