Good RWC dress rehearsal this tour.
Replicating 1/4 final, semi-final, 3/4th playoff ....
My tip to young players. Let the opposition player get up in their own time. A try scorer under a pile up has been happening for 150 years before you fluffybunnies started ruining these moments by .... being fluffybunnies .... and yanking disappointed opposition players out of the way for your un-waitable celebration.
I find this one strange as well. I think we as fans ( including Mex) are fully within our rights to blast the ref and say he cost us the series. I think the players and coaches should look at themselves and figure out how to take the ref out the game and that's exactly what they are doing. Not like the ABs were terrible, Poite and SBW hurt them bad. I thought by 3rd test they figured out how to beat rush defense but execution was poor but easily fixable. The result is what is but I think things like blaming Hansen for substituting Half back which the ABs have done for at least 13years is just silly.
I'm in the "ref didn't cost us the game camp" but in no way I'm of the opinion that criticism of his 78th min decisions should be shut down. That was the worst refereeing moment I can remember.
I don't think he 'cost us the game' because I only give Beauden a 60% chance of slotting that the way he was kicking. Where as I give Julian as 100% costing us a try and I think Beauden has already blown a 95% gettable kick. Then add in the cumulative 50%ers that were blown periodically through the match.
Up until 78 mins I thought Poite was good.
But that decision (and process) was disgraceful.
I now really doubt his moral fibre. He made a correct decision in real time, it was technically harsh on the guilty party but correct. He then allowed himself to go to the TMO to check foul play so that his already made decision could be taken away from his responsibility if possible, it couldn't, but then he allowed Garces to change his mind (incorrectly). He tried really, really, really hard to not have his decision be the 'series-deciding decision'. Very weak.
I would think that would set alarm bells off in WR Refereeing HQ. This wasn't a fast real time mistake, it was a failure of courage.
However I do not currently have faith in the Referring HQ. Their treatment of Joubert was a disgrace to the sport when they hung him out to dry after he made a brave but incorrect decision in the RWC in very similar circumstances.
To be contradictory, I do find the analysising of every single refereeing decision in a game on social media etc to be pointless. It's a quick game with decisions made in real time, fans need to just get on with it. Where I think this is bad is that it was done slowly, looking for every opportunity to back out of a decision.
I'm not actually salty about the series result. Getting the penalty and Beauden flukeing it over may have been the worst result for me, if it just papers over the cracks of our obvious weakness. But I'm soft as Rocky Rockvottom says (I think) after our back to back world cups.
Some top level whining bullshit:
15 against 16? What's he smoking, France barely ever had 15 .....
I'd assume no IPL players for the England test series (both sides), or at least for the first test.
@canefan FA Cup not European
Plus they were the 3rd club to do it after Preston and Villa - both in 19th Century
Ah thanks for clearing up. Back when winning the FAC was a big deal. We were the first English team to win the European Cup though IIRC
Spurs have never won the European Cup.
@mariner4life i honestly think it will depending on how pissed of the local fans are
there are alot of these overseas fans thats "support" these teams because "everyone else" does, they play in front of packed stadiums, when theyre allowed too...if those stadiums aren't packed and there is the impression these teams arent "cool" anymore....how long will those billion overseas fans watch....will the next wave of tallent want to play for these break away teams? some obviously will play for whoever pays them the most...but not all
I'm more in this camp. If this thing kicks off when fans are allowed back in, and at least 50% of local fans rebel, then this league will quickly become uncool compared to packed crowds in other leagues.
Let alone in 10 years time.
But, I also can see their being so much upfront money that the current establishment could break or concede before they 'win'.
Dan Leo's off quoted misleading stat of approx 40% of all professional club rugby players being pacific Islanders. So, what is the solution? Add 2 more professional club teams, with WR subsidy, of almost exclusively pacific players. MP won't increase that percentage as they are just shifting ethnic payers from one team to another. But Drua may increase that percentage from 40% to approx 40.5%.
Well done us, form an orderly queue to pat us on the back as we have addressed the grievous problem of pacific under-representation in professional rugby. We've broken the 40% glass ceiling, yay. Job done, problem solved.
Does nationality by descent continue infinitum for PI people? I know that you can get nationality by descent but does it have a limit (e.g. in NZ I gave my boy NZ citizenship but he can't pass it along unless he changes his NZ status or has his kids in NZ or marries a kiwi). I ask because I wonder if there is a point when many NZ-born PIs may become ineligible for islands?
That is a WR rule , not a PI national rule. It ends at grandparent. So the Garden-Bachop's, unless closer PI descent on mothers side would be ineligible, as Stephen qualified for Samoa on a grandparent.
So, yes many will. But, there is still plenty incoming and refreshing annually. But, yeah, on the cusp now of NZers with Samoan last names not qualified for Samoa. (Bachop name is French Tahitian though, in my clumsy example)
I'm no fan of this concept, as I've posted already.
Yes, I agree with Laban it won't exist in 10 years time. It is doomed to fail. As it's pathway (and attractiveness) ends abruptly short of 10 other teams in the league
If going ahead, I agree with Laban (and Senio's) point (and disagree with Kirwan) that it shouldn't be 100% PI qualified. Just like NZ teams aren't 100% NZ qualified. That would just institutionalize them as the cellar dwellers every year.
But anyway, will it result in more PI-qualified (or tied) players playing with th Kirwan idea? No, it will just shift the 10% of PI players with the other 5 franchises to the new MP team. No net gain.
As I've said before. Access to professional club rugby is not and never has been a problem for PI players. The problem is test rugby. PI-qualified players do not play test rugby for the PIs because there is no money in PI test rugby. This does not address that problem. This is not some Jaguars/Argentina combined approach. This is just adding Brown Counties Manukau to a comp. Replicating the political racial interference and institutionalized crapness of the Kings in old Super Rugby but at a smaller and cheaper geographic scale.
Adding North Auckland, would have added 8 extra PI-tied potential places in local professional rugby. It would have made the Tran-Tasman comp more interesting as it weakened NZ depth. Assuming Drua exist and go ahead. 8 potential Samoan/Tongans per team among the 6 NZ teams and 5 Aussie teams = 88 professional polynesian players locally to try and pick two test squads from (plus Euro and japan based players if worth their while). Then include the 3 PI nations in TRC. That would at least be an honest attempt to 'solve' the 'problem'. Moana Pasifika is just a big lie, solves nothing.