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So the two front runners for Labor Leader are from the NSW Left. One of them states that Labor didn't have enough time to explain to the electorate how they'd all benefit from Labor's policies.
Talk about doubling down on dumb.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Interesting breakdown of the vote. Labor primary vote in Qld just 27.4%. Fecking around with Adani maybe not the smartest idea.
Mining in Central Queensland has offered thousands of ordinary Queenslanders a quick path to 100% equity in their homes, high quality education for their children, the opportunity to investment themselves into financial independence, job certainty and so on. Much of it came as FIFO employment but some rural centres grew to offer an attractive lifestyle away from the cities.
The Beattie and Bligh governments made a fortune from royalties (most of which they wasted).
The mining communities don't have any time for people from George Street, Brisbane who know what's best for them and they treat Canberra blow ins with utter disdain.
Has been Greens poser Bob Brown took a caravan of unwashed professional protesters up through the Adani / Carmichael Mine surrounds about three weeks ago, a master stroke for the Coalition.
Local pubs and motels refused to serve them and hundreds of locals turned out to watch them, closely. They want local jobs, not over in WA, and Adani could have been employing thousands already.
They well know that Labor's Mar'n F'rsson, granted in principle approval to Adani just before he retired six years ago. That has been thwarted by Bono Pocock's li'l kindy friends ever since, because they hate Australia and Australians.
The vote tells the story clearly.
Labor copped a swing against of -3.4% in Queensland and ceded two seats to the Coalition. It already held Maranoa, in the northern coalfields, and it swung a further 6.4% (75% counted), a huge movement.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Interesting breakdown of the vote. Labor primary vote in Qld just 27.4%. Fecking around with Adani maybe not the smartest idea.
Mining in Central Queensland has offered thousands of ordinary Queenslanders a quick path to 100% equity in their homes, high quality education for their children, the opportunity to investment themselves into financial independence, job certainty and so on. Much of it came as FIFO employment but some rural centres grew to offer an attractive lifestyle away from the cities.
The Beattie and Bligh governments made a fortune from royalties (most of which they wasted).
The mining communities don't have any time for people from George Street, Brisbane who know what's best for them and they treat Canberra blow ins with utter disdain.
Has been Greens poser Bob Brown took a caravan of unwashed professional protesters up through the Ardani / Carmichael Mine surrounds about three weeks ago, a master stroke for the Coalition.
Local pubs and motels refused to serve them and hundreds of locals turned out to watch them, closely. They want local jobs, not over in WA, and Adani could have been employing thousands already.
They well know that Labor's Mar'n F'rsson, granted in principle approval to Ardani just before he retired six years ago. That has been thwarted by Bono Pocock's li'l kindy friends ever since, because they hate Australia and Australians.
The vote tells the story clearly.
Labor copped a swing against of -3.4% in Queensland and ceded two seats to the Coalition. It already held Maranoa, in the northern coalfields, and it swung a further 6.4% (75% counted), a huge movement.
Ive been looking forward to this post , it didn’t disappoint
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At least Shorten can comfort himself that he was more likely to become PM than Salim:
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So the two front runners for Labor Leader are from the NSW Left. One of them states that Labor didn't have enough time to explain to the electorate how they'd all benefit from Labor's policies.
Talk about doubling down on dumb.
Who dey?
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I didn't think Labor would get a landslide, but I didn't think they'd lose, either. The polls were too close to be meaningful (and pollsters will be looking for new jobs as people realise these days it just isn't a thing any more). It just felt like the Coalition were getting desperate and the 3-PMS-in-2-terms things puts a target on your back.
BUT you've got to applaud Morrison for basically filing all his Ministers away from the press, and taking everything head-on himself. He made it about him v Shorten, and in the battle of the better (?) man, Morrison rode the preferred PM poll to victory.
Incumbency is also good, when you can frame change as scary so don't risk it.
Also prominent was having a range of policies to attack in simple terms - Franking Credits boiled down to "Retirees Tax" as one example - was good message to keep hammering even though most retirees don't enjoy that level of wealth. Didn't matter. Change is scary. Don't do that.
By running a good scare campaign, and letting Shorten say "wiv" a lot, and also this as a bonus, and you can see why things fell the way they did in QLD:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Aussie Politics:
Has been Greens poser Bob Brown took a caravan of unwashed professional protesters up through the Adani / Carmichael Mine surrounds about three weeks ago, a master stroke for the Coalition.
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Also let's not forget the 400 pound elephant in the room:
The UAP was a great foil for the Coalition, particularly in QLD, with an ad campaign worth something reportedly above $60M nationally.
It muddied the waters a bit, and despite them getting a bit fat zero, he'll make back that money easily through a friendly government.
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The election result just got even better,
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As a household with a high percentile at income, my personal situation will probably not change very much - might even get better on a few tax cuts issues.
Longer term tho, the issues around climate and environment are going to drift under this government. The concern is for the wide brown land itself, but also economically as other nations ramp up their research and development of renewables and other clean technologies.
Another coal fired power station here should have its full costings explained to the taxpayer. At this point, I'd rather go nuke.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
I didn't think Labor would get a landslide, but I didn't think they'd lose, either. The polls were too close to be meaningful (and pollsters will be looking for new jobs as people realise these days it just isn't a thing any more). It just felt like the Coalition were getting desperate and the 3-PMS-in-2-terms things puts a target on your back.
BUT you've got to applaud Morrison for basically filing all his Ministers away from the press, and taking everything head-on himself. He made it about him v Shorten, and in the battle of the better (?) man, Morrison rode the preferred PM poll to victory.
Incumbency is also good, when you can frame change as scary so don't risk it.
Also prominent was having a range of policies to attack in simple terms - Franking Credits boiled down to "Retirees Tax" as one example - was good message to keep hammering even though most retirees don't enjoy that level of wealth. Didn't matter. Change is scary. Don't do that.
By running a good scare campaign, and letting Shorten say "wiv" a lot, and also this as a bonus, and you can see why things fell the way they did in QLD:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Aussie Politics:
Has been Greens poser Bob Brown took a caravan of unwashed professional protesters up through the Adani / Carmichael Mine surrounds about three weeks ago, a master stroke for the Coalition.
This whole "scare campaign" argument goes both ways. There were plenty of "stop the chaos" "ripped x trillion out of health" "owned by the top end of town" crap. At the end of the day ordinary people want jobs and money in their back pocket. It's nice if you have the luxury of virtue signalling about saving the world, but most people don't.
Btw, what are the odds on the Stegall going a second term? The next Maxine McKee?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
...At the end of the day Abbott is still a dick, and both sides of the House are probably happy that he has gone. I always thought SBS were quite impartial, will watch now and try and pick out all of this obvious bias.
You do that. Might have to work through a few ahem "coming of age films" before you get their news content."
Abbott is still a dick.
Oh?
Tony Abbott had the good fortune to attend St Ignatius, Riverview and they were fortunate to have him because he is a fine example of the best work the Jesuits do, turning out young men who are disciplined and involved. His academic achievements attest to that – Economics and Law at Sydney University (an outstanding seat of learning back then) then post graduate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and Master of Arts.
He played rugby as a front rower and boxed as a light heavyweight, both roles truly test a fellow's determination. He also immersed himself in student politics.
He has served in politics for 25 years, much of it at the top end. A mate's daughter worked for him as a graduate for near ten years then went out to form her own consulting practice with his guidance and support, she soared upwards and they remain good friends. Her family holds him in high regard.
Abbott is wholly involved in family - his wife and three daughters interact with him in public with easy affection. In a documentary piece at about the time he became Prime Minister I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him. He is supportive of his sister, who is also involved in politics at local government and in issues in which they hold opposing views. Even when she launched a strange public attack on him two or three years ago he did not react.
He places himself on roster for Queenscliff Life Saving Club and is an active member of the volunteer fire fighters group at Davidson, which should be unremarkable for a community minded family man living near the bushland ridge behind the Northern Beaches. In a documentary piece a little while back he was interviewed with his brigade - I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him.
Tony Abbott has taken his annual holidays year on year to teach in remote aboriginal towns in northern Australia, degraded hopeless camps marked by violence and child rape. He regularly rides bicycles in long distance charity runs and I have seen him run leading a blind man in a half marathon or similar on a couple of occasions.
At 61 he is in exceptional physical shape, a product of the self-discipline he has shown throughout his career. I see a fellow who has made an outstanding contribution to his fellow man.
I could go on however I cannot find evidence of your assertion that “Abbott is still a dick”. Can you help with something to substantiate that, Nevorian, or did you just make it up?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Also let's not forget the 400 pound elephant in the room:
The UAP was a great foil for the Coalition, particularly in QLD, with an ad campaign worth something reportedly above $60M nationally.
It muddied the waters a bit, and despite them getting a bit fat zero, he'll make back that money easily through a friendly government.
Apart from annoying the hell out of people he wasn't even a factor. Made no difference.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
This whole "scare campaign" argument goes both ways. There were plenty of "stop the chaos" "ripped x trillion out of health" "owned by the top end of town" crap. At the end of the day ordinary people want jobs and money in their back pocket.
Scare campaigns are much more effective if you are the incumbent - if people have jobs and money in their pocket already, then change is scary. Simple, yes?
Btw, what are the odds on the Stegall going a second term? The next Maxine McKee?
Depends who the Libs put up as their option next time.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Also let's not forget the 400 pound elephant in the room:
The UAP was a great foil for the Coalition, particularly in QLD, with an ad campaign worth something reportedly above $60M nationally.
It muddied the waters a bit, and despite them getting a bit fat zero, he'll make back that money easily through a friendly government.
Apart from annoying the hell out of people he wasn't even a factor. Made no difference.
At the end of last night's coverage on Channel 7 I heard one of the experts say that Fat Clive had a clever plan which guaranteed direction of preferences to the Coalition, at minimal cost to him. I did not catch the rationale and I'm now too tired to even try!
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
This whole "scare campaign" argument goes both ways. There were plenty of "stop the chaos" "ripped x trillion out of health" "owned by the top end of town" crap. At the end of the day ordinary people want jobs and money in their back pocket.
Scare campaigns are much more effective if you are the incumbent - if people have jobs and money in their pocket already, then change is scary. Simple, yes?
Btw, what are the odds on the Stegall going a second term? The next Maxine McKee?
Depends who the Libs put up as their option next time.
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
As a household with a high percentile at income, my personal situation will probably not change very much - might even get better on a few tax cuts issues.
Longer term tho, the issues around climate and environment are going to drift under this government. The concern is for the wide brown land itself, but also economically as other nations ramp up their research and development of renewables and other clean technologies.
Another coal fired power station here should have its full costings explained to the taxpayer. At this point, I'd rather go nuke.
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
...At the end of the day Abbott is still a dick, and both sides of the House are probably happy that he has gone. I always thought SBS were quite impartial, will watch now and try and pick out all of this obvious bias.
You do that. Might have to work through a few ahem "coming of age films" before you get their news content."
Abbott is still a dick.
Oh?
Tony Abbott had the good fortune to attend St Ignatius, Riverview and they were fortunate to have him because he is a fine example of the best work the Jesuits do, turning out young men who are disciplined and involved. His academic achievements attest to that – Economics and Law at Sydney University (an outstanding seat of learning back then) then post graduate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and Master of Arts.
He played rugby as a front rower and boxed as a light heavyweight, both roles truly test a fellow's determination. He also immersed himself in student politics.
He has served in politics for 25 years, much of it at the top end. A mate's daughter worked for him as a graduate for near ten years then went out to form her own consulting practice with his guidance and support, she soared upwards and they remain good friends. Her family holds him in high regard.
Abbott is wholly involved in family - his wife and three daughters interact with him in public with easy affection. In a documentary piece at about the time he became Prime Minister I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him. He is supportive of his sister, who is also involved in politics at local government and in issues in which they hold opposing views. Even when she launched a strange public attack on him two or three years ago he did not react.
He places himself on roster for Queenscliff Life Saving Club and is an active member of the volunteer fire fighters group at Davidson, which should be unremarkable for a community minded family man living near the bushland ridge behind the Northern Beaches. In a documentary piece a little while back he was interviewed with his brigade - I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him.
Tony Abbott has taken his annual holidays year on year to teach in remote aboriginal towns in northern Australia, degraded hopeless camps marked by violence and child rape. He regularly rides bicycles in long distance charity runs and I have seen him run leading a blind man in a half marathon or similar on a couple of occasions.
At 61 he is in exceptional physical shape, a product of the self-discipline he has shown throughout his career. I see a fellow who has made an outstanding contribution to his fellow man.
I could go on however I cannot find evidence of your assertion that “Abbott is still a dick”. Can you help with something to substantiate that, Nevorian, or did you just make it up?
If ever a post need a mike drop gif at the end it was this one. Mods?
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Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi, fuck yeah we are the only species that counts, we are so fucken intelligent. I'm so stoked we found this continent, to think no species had figured out how to exploit all of its natural resources to make lots of shit for me to buy and use and throw away. I sure hope future generations can find their own continent to exploit because there aint gonna be much left on this one once we are done. But hey I need a new 5 bedroom house, a job and new shoes every year so fuck yeah, burn, dig and chop your heart away. Anyway I'll be dead before things get too bad and we need growth and progress now.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
What are the chances of the NEG being resurrected with another acronym?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
Their tax cuts agenda over the next few years was practically identical unless you earned over $200K - a small percentage of the population.
More services funding promised at the expense of franking credits and negative gearing / CGT tax breaks - again a small percentage.Of course, how Labor was going to pay for all this was a moot, but academic, point.
So we'll have to go with delivery?
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