Coronavirus - Overall
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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Coronavirus: Over 50 million pints of beer go to waste during lockdown
“The beer had been sat there for two weeks so it had gone off,” he said. “There was no easy way to do it so the beer was thrown down the drain. It was difficult to know what to do as I don't normally get wasted beer.”“If lockdown lasts for three months all the beer in my cellar will go out of date. Beer kegs have a shelf life of not much more than three months while my other kegs will last for one month maximum.”
Disposal of beer must normally be overseen by a brewery representative because alcohol duty is not paid if it is thrown away with good reason, such as spoiling.
As a temporary measure HM Revenue & Customs is allowing breweries to appoint a publican to dispose of spoilt beer, with a video an acceptable form of proof.
The Campaign for Real Ale (Camra) estimates that of the 39,000 UK pubs and clubs with liquor licences, on average each has about 15 barrels in its cellar. With the average keg holding 88 pints this means around 51 million pints could be currently spoiling in cellars.
Tom Stainer, the chief executive of Camera, told the BBC: “It’s a very sad waste of all the work and talent that goes into producing great beer. People won’t get to drink it and all those resources have been used up for nothing.”Keris De Villiers, landlady of the Ram Inn, the Old Sergeant and the Pig and Whistle in Wandsworth, south-west London, told the BBC that barrelled beer worth about £10,000 could go off in her cellars. A further 1,760 pints remain in vats at the SlyBeast microbrewery she set up with her husband, Lee.
With pubs closed drinkers have turned to supermarkets. Sales of alcohol increased by 22 per cent in the last month with an additional £199 million spent on booze, according to the retail analysts Kanter.
My son drinks at the Old Sergeant -- or rather used to.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Probably, turned 40 last year.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Seems the glove is on the other foot fella....
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
i guess thats the NZ fear. Shut it down, eradicate it ... but then how can you ever reopen it?
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UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
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For the COVID-19 epidemics in several European countries, estimates of the number of infections and the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions.
https://imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19estimates/#/
Looks like their model has some big variances between countries.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Seems the glove is on the other foot fella....
Being the same age as @Godder 's mum, I feel positively prehistoric!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
Two problems:
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This data isn't available, at least daily; and
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In making international comparisons (and trying to draw conclusions from the data) keeping the criteria as simlar as possible is key.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
Two problems:
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This data isn't available, at least daily; and
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In making international comparisons (and trying to draw conclusions from the data) keeping the criteria as simlar as possible is key.
Indeed, although I would have thought it wouldn't the too much work to get numbers 1-4 sorted in any developed world.
For your second point, absolutely. This is a bit broken record of me but here, if you have symptoms, you don't even go to hospital, less get tested!!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
i guess thats the NZ fear. Shut it down, eradicate it ... but then how can you ever reopen it?
What happens if there's another outbreak and only a small % of the population have caught it and are immune? What happens then - do you have another lock-down and will people accept that?
I do wonder if a slow move into lockdown followed by a staged move out may be the best way of managing things and balancing economic costs/protecting people. No-one really knows
It's a tricky one and knee-jerk reactions may be initially popular and show political will and decisiveness, but often don't work out. E.g. when Blair introduced draconian gun laws in the UK post Dunblane, there was a big increase in firearms use by criminals. They dropped once the laws were relaxed.
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@Victor-Meldrew That that piece of Blair Grandstanding always made me chuckle. Hamilton broke the gun laws and Blair brings in new gun laws. It wasn't the laws you twat it was the perpetrator. Or would he have looked at the new laws and then said "You know what? I don't think I fancy it so much now".
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew That that piece of Blair Grandstanding always made me chuckle. Hamilton broke the gun laws and Blair brings in new gun laws. It wasn't the laws you twat it was the perpetrator. Or would he have looked at the new laws and then said "You know what? I don't think I fancy it so much now".
I've been impressed with the general lack of grandstanding here in the UK in this crisis. A few twats but politicians generally acting in a sensible, mature way. Good to see.
Some of the media in the other hand...