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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Trump said he won but will prove it through the legal route
"Stop the count" you mean? Where he actually got up in front of cameras and said to illegally stop the process of the US democracy?
Please stop quoting Fitton. He's a known Trump twink and not an authority on anything. I can see why you quote him as he adequately lines up on your other belief systems.
While we're at it, please stop using Breitbart and other sources known as questionable in their belief. You might as well be quoting QAnon.
How about stop telling people what to do. Refute an argument or don't.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
ID checks. How is it done was the question?
There are lots of illegals in the US. The democrats want them to vote of course. So introducing a sound ID system so that only legal people vote is an issue. The Democrats wnat loose ID checks. Republican's tighter checks
The question was HOW?
The illegals get sent ballot papers to their legal registered address off the voter register do they? That seems unlikely.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
Voting by mail is not new - it has been used for many elections.
But not to the extent they were thsi election
At least three-quarters of all American voters will be eligible to receive a ballot in the mail for the 2020 election — the most in U.S. history, according to a New York Times analysis. If recent election trends hold and turnout increases, as experts predict, roughly 80 million mail ballots will flood election offices this fall, more than double the number that were returned in 2016.
The rapid and seismic shift in how Americans will vote is because of the coronavirus pandemic. Concerns about the potential for virus transmission at polling places have forced many states to make adjustments on the fly that — despite President Trump’s protests — will make mail voting in America more accessible this fall than ever before.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
They only sent out ballots to registered voters.
Did that in the UK. And yet pictures of stacks of ballot papers appeared on Twitter pre-election day... There's probably been some fraud but not enough to swing the result.
Pretty clear to me Trump was only against postal votes as they'd get voting % up and favour Biden.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
Just for the record, here is a fact-check from the beeb
After recent revelations and statements from the head of the BBC, I'm not sure the words "fact-check" and "the beeb" go together...
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@Winger said in US Politics:
The deep state = a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.
Fella, there's certainly an discussion to be had about government agencies frustrating the policies of elected governments, showing political bias and doing bad things, but thinking there's an over-arching, centrally controlled conspiracy (run by the Illuminati?) is plain bonkers.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Pretty clear to me Trump was only against postal votes as they'd get voting % up and favour Biden.
Yep, and voter numbers were significantly up.
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Did that in the UK. And yet pictures of stacks of ballot papers appeared on Twitter pre-election day... There's probably been some fraud but not enough to swing the result.
That's the thing. Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
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I still don't understand why the Democrats would go to all that effort and then lose House seats and fail to take control of the Senate. I also don't understand why they would make a big deal of Mitch McConnell's seat, and then not flip it illegally.
Maybe, just maybe, Joe was more popular than his party and won.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Pretty clear to me Trump was only against postal votes as they'd get voting % up and favour Biden.
Yep, and voter numbers were significantly up.
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Did that in the UK. And yet pictures of stacks of ballot papers appeared on Twitter pre-election day... There's probably been some fraud but not enough to swing the result.
That's the thing. Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
But it seems the major fraud is possibly by manipulating the voting machine Like this
The dominion voting machine just happened to make this mistake all by itself -
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
Good God man, you're still banging on about the rallies??? What did Trump get, like 10k people there? 15k?
You do realise that 150m people voted right???
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
There was an election in 2019 for Peterborough (UK) where the margin was 63 votes and postal vote fraud is generally agreed to have occurred - not enough evidence for charges. Had it gone the other way, it would have made a huge difference to votes on Brexit in the UK parliament.
It's about confidence in the system.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
So because Trump held huge rallies, Biden was involved in voter fraud?
Righto
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@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote.
They are coded aren't they? Are you saying that they photocopy millions of ballots that weren't sent to them. How do you replace them? How do you collect those? Insert ballotts how? There has to be identity verification.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
There was an election in 2019 for Peterborough (UK) where the margin was 63 votes and postal vote fraud is generally agreed to have occurred - not enough evidence for charges. Had it gone the other way, it would have made a huge difference to votes on Brexit in the UK parliament.
It's about confidence in the system.
63 ain't much, but on this scale just seems beyond the realms of possibilty.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote.
They are coded aren't they? Are you saying that they photocopy millions of ballots that weren't sent to them. How do you replace them? How do you collect those? Insert ballotts how? There has to be identity verification.
I'm just repeating claims made. Supported in some cases by photos or videos. Maybe its the Russians again. Or another foreign actor
There is a claim that the real ballots have a impossible to duplicate watermark. So any fakes will be easy to identify
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