Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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I find myself agreeing with most of this..
\https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20200430-star-wars-why-the-empire-strikes-back-is-overrated
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@Crucial I don't, he pretty much admits his annoyance at later films has ruined this one for him which I don't agree with
I think I disagree with a lot, I think the special effects are much better, just having the battle of hoth during the day...even now movie makers cheap out by setting action scenes at night so they can just have a black background and or hide shit stuff in the shadows
in different paragraphs he laments it being established right at the start that the rebels have been pushed back after what they thought was a big win...and then laments its called the Empire strikes back and that one saber duel does not a strike back make...they'd already stuck back by then, the movie is about what happens after the strike back
like every sequel of course its sets up stuff for the last movie...if it was just another stand alone one it wouldn't be a trilogy
ESB is still a very good fil in my eyes, starts to tease out there is a bigger universe, more planets, more aliens, organisations other than the empire and rebellion
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial I don't, he pretty much admits his annoyance at later films has ruined this one for him which I don't agree with
I think I disagree with a lot, I think the special effects are much better, just having the battle of hoth during the day...even now movie makers cheap out by setting action scenes at night so they can just have a black background and or hide shit stuff in the shadows
in different paragraphs he laments it being established right at the start that the rebels have been pushed back after what they thought was a big win...and then laments its called the Empire strikes back and that one saber duel does not a strike back make...they'd already stuck back by then, the movie is about what happens after the strike back
like every sequel of course its sets up stuff for the last movie...if it was just another stand alone one it wouldn't be a trilogy
ESB is still a very good fil in my eyes, starts to tease out there is a bigger universe, more planets, more aliens, organisations other than the empire and rebellion
ESB is an utterly incredible Movie and still the best of the entire franchise overall. Who cares what some nerd writes on the web. Fuck him.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial I don't, he pretty much admits his annoyance at later films has ruined this one for him which I don't agree with
I think I disagree with a lot, I think the special effects are much better, just having the battle of hoth during the day...even now movie makers cheap out by setting action scenes at night so they can just have a black background and or hide shit stuff in the shadows
in different paragraphs he laments it being established right at the start that the rebels have been pushed back after what they thought was a big win...and then laments its called the Empire strikes back and that one saber duel does not a strike back make...they'd already stuck back by then, the movie is about what happens after the strike back
like every sequel of course its sets up stuff for the last movie...if it was just another stand alone one it wouldn't be a trilogy
ESB is still a very good fil in my eyes, starts to tease out there is a bigger universe, more planets, more aliens, organisations other than the empire and rebellion
ESB is an utterly incredible Movie and still the best of the entire franchise overall. Who cares what some nerd writes on the web. Fuck him.
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial I don't, he pretty much admits his annoyance at later films has ruined this one for him which I don't agree with
I think I disagree with a lot, I think the special effects are much better, just having the battle of hoth during the day...even now movie makers cheap out by setting action scenes at night so they can just have a black background and or hide shit stuff in the shadows
in different paragraphs he laments it being established right at the start that the rebels have been pushed back after what they thought was a big win...and then laments its called the Empire strikes back and that one saber duel does not a strike back make...they'd already stuck back by then, the movie is about what happens after the strike back
like every sequel of course its sets up stuff for the last movie...if it was just another stand alone one it wouldn't be a trilogy
ESB is still a very good fil in my eyes, starts to tease out there is a bigger universe, more planets, more aliens, organisations other than the empire and rebellion
ESB is an utterly incredible Movie and still the best of the entire franchise overall. Who cares what some nerd writes on the web. Fuck him.
It’s a weird article. ESB is a continuation of Luke’s journey and provides a lot more meat on the bones of the actual saga. What was supposed to happen? The Empire is crippled and the Rebels are polishing them off? And his comparison to the sequels is nonsense. Luke was absolutely pole axed in ESB. He was humbled and humiliated. Rey was beating up Sith in E7 and doing Yoda like shit in E8. ESB is everything the sequels weren’t.
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I do think that a lot of what he writes is his justification for his statement. That is “from a certain point of view “.
However I have also never really understood why people cream themselves over ESB when SW itself was the amazing game changer that kicked everything off and the whole concept of reinventing matinee type movies is the very thing that Mando has returned to and been a winner.
SW was mind blowing at the time. ESB just continued things.
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@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I do think that a lot of what he writes is his justification for his statement. That is “from a certain point of view “.
However I have also never really understood why people cream themselves over ESB when SW itself was the amazing game changer that kicked everything off and the whole concept of reinventing matinee type movies is the very thing that Mando has returned to and been a winner.
SW was mind blowing at the time. ESB just continued things.
Yep, I agree that ESB is overrated.Compared to what ?
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Might be happening
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Edit: image seems to be struggling, Lars reported as signing on to play Thrawn
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Might be happening
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Edit: image seems to be struggling, Lars reported as signing on to play Thrawn
Lars who ?
I must say this character has been more overhyped than any in SW history ( when I say that I mean characters yet to appear on one of the films ) so I hope he is compelling
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Might be happening
![0_1610776640772_616F839C-2FA4-46BA-A6EA-289134125D3B.jpeg](Uploading 100%)
Edit: image seems to be struggling, Lars reported as signing on to play Thrawn
Lars who ?
I must say this character has been more overhyped than any in SW history ( when I say that I mean characters yet to appear on one of the films ) so I hope he is compelling
Mikkleson. Mads brother. Voiced Thrawn in rebels so someone else said. So good continuity
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Might be happening
![0_1610776640772_616F839C-2FA4-46BA-A6EA-289134125D3B.jpeg](Uploading 100%)
Edit: image seems to be struggling, Lars reported as signing on to play Thrawn
Lars who ?
I must say this character has been more overhyped than any in SW history ( when I say that I mean characters yet to appear on one of the films ) so I hope he is compelling
I’ve only read a couple of the SW books but he was in one of them. Thought he was an awesome character then and can’t wait to see him in action. If they decide to retcon those shitty sequels it would be great to see some continuity with him becoming the new head honcho. In fact if they don’t retcon the sequels they’ll have a hell of a time explaining how the First Order went from badass Thrawn to.......................Hux. God so shit.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel for some reason I thought of you when I found this one.
Also @Nepia
I actually don't get that at all - plus I'm a 2/3 of the Disney Trilogy fan, the last one is garbage almost on a level with your beloved prequels.
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Who has watched Rebels?
They shouldn’t need to retcon anything I don’t think, he was left with a story to tell
And Ahsoka has a good reason to find him
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@Nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel for some reason I thought of you when I found this one.
Also @Nepia
I actually don't get that at all - plus I'm a 2/3 of the Disney Trilogy fan, the last one is garbage almost on a level with your beloved prequels.
You mean The Last Jedi ?
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I do think that a lot of what he writes is his justification for his statement. That is “from a certain point of view “.
However I have also never really understood why people cream themselves over ESB when SW itself was the amazing game changer that kicked everything off and the whole concept of reinventing matinee type movies is the very thing that Mando has returned to and been a winner.
SW was mind blowing at the time. ESB just continued things.
Yep, I agree that ESB is overrated.Compared to what ?
Other SW movie ratings.
For some reason it is often rated as the best rather than the second best. -
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I do think that a lot of what he writes is his justification for his statement. That is “from a certain point of view “.
However I have also never really understood why people cream themselves over ESB when SW itself was the amazing game changer that kicked everything off and the whole concept of reinventing matinee type movies is the very thing that Mando has returned to and been a winner.
SW was mind blowing at the time. ESB just continued things.
Yep, I agree that ESB is overrated.Compared to what ?
Other SW movie ratings.
For some reason it is often rated as the best rather than the second best.Well it’s rated the best cos people think it is. I’m not sure how this is confusing.
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Bit silly even comparing them really since the starting point is completely different. Like comparing Fellowship of the Ring with Two Towers.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I do think that a lot of what he writes is his justification for his statement. That is “from a certain point of view “.
However I have also never really understood why people cream themselves over ESB when SW itself was the amazing game changer that kicked everything off and the whole concept of reinventing matinee type movies is the very thing that Mando has returned to and been a winner.
SW was mind blowing at the time. ESB just continued things.
Yep, I agree that ESB is overrated.Compared to what ?
Other SW movie ratings.
For some reason it is often rated as the best rather than the second best.Well it’s rated the best cos people think it is. I’m not sure how this is confusing.
That’s right. They are the ones overrating it.