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@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It's interesting that an 11 minute response time is now seen as fast for Police get to basically the heart of downtown Auckland.
I've seen a couple of people questioning this now and am a bit surprised.
I thought it seemed pretty decent, I certainly wouldn't expect less than that over here - is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
Those clowns that attacked bar goers in London in 2017 were all dead inside of eight minutes after the call was made . That’s pretty awesome work on the London police’s behalf
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
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@Windows97 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Believing a gun register will stop incidents like this is about the same as believing having cars registered is going to stop drunk driving and speeding...
This . It’s bizarre that some people actually believe someone with this level of ferality would be trying to source a gun legally at all and a register would have stopped him .
It seems to be a distraction from the real issue of him being in home d in the first place . The number of people committing crimes on home d is pretty shocking tbh
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@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I've been trying to find something concrete on that, but no luck so far. 'Last resort' seems to be the phrase everywhere. We need Auckland Warlord to reappear from his latest good work.
There's this on the Newcops page:
Force is only used as a last resort
Most of the time it’s never actually used:
Just 1 in 1,000 incidents involves the use of pepper spray.
Only 1 in 3,000 involves a taser.
In 80% of cases involving possible taser use, communication and simply showing the taser will safely de-escalate the situation.
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
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@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
“Reducing the prison population creates safety”
In other news ear is peace , freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength .
Boy this article aged like milk .
"Mental health and drug use services and systems would be equipped with trauma-informed approaches to assist people with trauma."
If that's the intellectual level of discussion on the justice system in NZ, no wonder many people think it is fucked.
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
That was still being fought as of last month...
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
Case by case basis…..the response time in central Auckland is likely to be a tad quicker than Aramoana/Waitara/Eastbourne etc. then again a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet.
Not really something us amateurs are really qualified to discuss though. It is fascinating to hear cops yarns from the frontline though. The old cliche of better work stories is so accurate
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet
I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun and was standing twenty metres away from someone with a golf club, than I would if they had a gun.
If I was trying to hit someone with a golf club, they'd be reasonably safe judging by my gameplay.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet
I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun and was standing twenty metres away from someone with a golf club, than I would if they had a gun.
If I was trying to hit someone with a golf club, they'd be reasonably safe judging by my gameplay.
You should have been Mrs Wallaces defence lawyer
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It is fascinating to hear cops yarns from the frontline though
The old man was one of the first official police photographers in Welly and in forensics too, which back then was just fingerprints. Some good tales. Wahine was grim.
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@Windows97 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Believing a gun register will stop incidents like this is about the same as believing having cars registered is going to stop drunk driving and speeding...
Not quite sure of the point I'm about to make here.
I think it's around the hysteria about guns.
But today, not far south of here in Gympie some fucked up domestically violent fluffybunny stole a car at knifepoint, and ended up murdering his (former) partner, an apparent good Samaritan giving her a ride, and an innocent driver of another vehicle.
Triple murder and the fluffybunny is alive.
Murder weapon is a vehicle.
Has that made news over there?
Edit: Alledgedly
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@Old-Samurai-Jack always use your pitching wedge, shorter and heavier than a driver...
Who's to say how anyone would react in these situations, you can train all you like for these things, but until you are confronted with someone actually wanting to kill you, I expect you wont really know...
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
I've never been a cop, let alone one in New Zealand. But common sense dictates to me that being made aware you have a potentially armed offender, the first GD cops to arrive would be trying to secure the scene, ensure public safety, rendering aid where possible and gaining intel.
Having said that, 11 minutes is a long time in the CBD.
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Almost forgot , the exact same thing happened last year. This pos had a bracelet on after taking part in a hotel lobby. Killed his ex and her dad , he was out because he had a “hard upbringing”
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