Wallabies v Pumas



  • Wallabies

    1 Scott Sio (35 Tests)
    2 Tatafu Polota-Nau (74 Tests)
    3 Sekope Kepu (83 Tests)
    4 Rob Simmons (74 Tests)
    5 Adam Coleman (14 Tests)
    6 Ned Hanigan (6 Tests)
    7 Michael Hooper (c) (71 Tests)
    8 Sean McMahon (18 Tests)
    9 Will Genia (vc) (81 Tests)
    10 Bernard Foley (vc) (48 Tests)
    11 Reece Hodge (16 Tests)
    12 Kurtley Beale (63 Tests)
    13 Tevita Kuridrani (50 Tests)
    14 Henry Speight (15 Tests)
    15 Israel Folau (58 Tests)

    Reserves
    16 Jordan Uelese (1 Test)
    17 Tom Robertson (12 Tests)
    18 Allan Alaalatoa (15 Tests)
    19 Izack Rodda (1 Test)
    20 Jack Dempsey (2 Tests)
    21 Nick Phipps (54 Tests)
    22 Samu Kerevi (10 Tests)
    23 Marika Koroibete*

    *denotes uncapped

    IN: Marika Koroibete, Izack Rodda
    OUT: Curtis Rona, Rory Arnold

    Moore misses out, Koroibete to debut in Canberra



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  • Need to make a statement against the Argie scrum.

    Unsurprisingly, Canberra will be cold as fuck, probably around high single digits by kick off. Hopefully the useless bastards come out for the game in greater numbers than they did for the Brumbies, though I suspect a fair few will be driving down the highway from Sydney.



  • @NTA Will be interesting to see if Argie TH is more successful at staying earth bound than he was against Moody.



  • @pakman Sio and Simmons on that side, with TPN on the pinch 🤔 a lot will depend on their TH lock



  • Yes. Is he a newbie?
    And did strike me that Moody with Rettalick behind him was never going to be a comfortable ride last week!



  • The THP is a newbie - they're missing their top 2 THPs I think? Anyway I picked that up watching the commentary from ABs v Pumas last week.



  • @NTA Knew No 1, who's good, was out.
    What do you make of Springbok TH for Saturday? Seemed to handle Moody quite well in Super final.



  • @pakman haven't even looked at the list. Still getting over the fact that Connie went back on with a broken arm last week!



  • @NTA That IS hard. Mind you the bloke who delivered me into the world scored the winning try in the third test in 1956 against the Bokke with a broken sternum.



  • It's 3 all, but the Pumas are looking better than the Wallabies at this stage.



  • You could see that try from Landajo coming. There's only one team attacking at the moment. 10-3 Pumas

    Oh, and Creevy apparently changed his name to Gravy.



  • The Wallabies have woken up! Try Folau!



  • Hanigan and Speight just can't defend.

    We have liked good for a sum total of about 40 seconds.

    And this bomb kicking from our 22? Fuck



  • @NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Hanigan

    what's this guy doing in a national team? He's too shit for Super Rugby IMO

    edit: where's Farty? He's been probably the Wobs best performing forward of the last few years



  • Based on that first half, the Pumas deserve to win this.



  • Fucking hell we love to find new ways to be shit



  • No vote doing well tonight.



  • Much better 2nd half from the Wallabies. A few tries and it's suddenly 24 - 13.



  • @Tordah said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    @NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Hanigan

    what's this guy doing in a national team? He's too shit for Super Rugby IMO

    FIIK.

    Get Dempsey on. He's a right fluffybunny.



  • Wallabies now putting a big score on the board. But shit, did Phipps really have to score?

    Now an awesome try from Moroni!

    38-20 and time's almost up. Argies playing with a man in the bin, btw.



  • Full time: Wallabies 45 - 20 Pumas

    Good second half from the Wallabies.



  • But it should not be enough to wipe the memory of that awful first half.

    I wonder - if you'd put bets on Argentina HT / Opponent FT and Opponent win 20+ the last two weeks...

    One thing is for sure: a single Super team is not helping Argentina build bench depth.



  • How bad is that Argies attack? It lacks any sort of structure and any quick ball is stifled by poor organisation or slow realigning. Looks like they lack fitness or are unable to deal with the travel.

    Aussies were pretty good.



  • As we saw last week it's pretty difficult to blow Argentina off the park in the first 40, they're a phsyical side and they defend well.

    Credit to the Wallabies, they kept their heads and ran away with it easily in the 2nd 40 - a good win for them.



  • Just come home, not seen the match, but turned on during Cheika post match interview. He looked absolutely chuffed. I assume the referee must have got every single decision correct tonight.



  • @Rapido I know you're being a little facetious 🙂 but Lacey wasn't too bad. A couple of times he let players crawl on the deck. He missed a couple of neck tackles. One of the scrums was called our way that should not have been imho.

    Mostly though, he reffed in a very NH style i.e. don't call too many ruck penalties; let the players sort it out and if it is a mess, so be it.



  • Summary from another forum:

    1. Hanigan needs another season of Super Rugby, to work on his impact and accuracy. Get Brad Thorn to help him work on that as I've been quite impressed with his coaching at QLD Country (NRC) - always see their guys take that "power step" into contact zone and it pays dividends.

    2. Replace him with Dempsey for the game in RSA - we're not going to out-beast the Boks, so better we just out-fluffybunny them. A backrow of Dempsey, Hooper, and McMahon is about as fucking annoying a thing I could think of from a Wallaby opponent pov.

    3. Speight continues to be the shittiest top-line winger we have for defensive positioning. Ponies fans can talk about his attack all they want, but he gets caught shooting inward too often for Test rugby.

    4. Rodda is looking the goods. His combination in the second row was a big contributor to our late-game scrum dominance, along with the Pumas replacements being ordinary. More on that in a minute. The other thing about Rodda is that he gets stuck into the work a good donkey should: cleaning out, putting pricks on the deck, and not doing anything too ambitious for a second rower's limited brain power.

    5. Uelese has been solid in both his appearances. Temperament looks good, and he's got that young, puissant man's complete lack of fear. Snaffled an important turnover when we were farting around early in the second half, and ran hard all day. How much must he love having TPN as a mentor in camp?

    6. Creevy must have gotten sick of the sight of Coleman belting six shades of shit out of him. it seemed like, every time he got the ball, Coleman was there to hit him. Magic.

    7. McMahon and Hooper are so deadly together, and just need a better 6 (Dempsey, as I said, so you know its the truth) to help balance that back row so the tight five can do what they need to do.

    8. The backline was a bit quiet IMHO, with the odd flash of brilliance but not enough consistency. Hard to overshadow that back row performance.

    9. FUCK Canberra. Bitch, bitch, moan moan. We're the most successful Aussie province and never get a Test match. You got one, you fucked it up. The end.



  • @NTA Good summary. I think Hodge is a good option on the wing for now. Hes big , fast enough, big boot. Young Mortlock started on the wing too. Koroibete looked lively but he also has defensive issues. Once naivalu comes back he needs to go on the wing to replace Speight.

    Foley was a bit shit - and has been for a while. There is really no one else right now.

    That was Hoopers best game for a long time - really got stuck in and did the work of a 7.

    Agreed with Canberra - wtf is going on there - so many empty seats and looked like a decent enough night.

    Some great defense on their own line from the Wallabies. Big steps continue from Syd showing (admittedly Argie arent great).



  • @KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Agreed with Canberra - wtf is going on there - so many empty seats and looked like a decent enough night.

    It was a cold night apparently. But the shunts never get sick of saying how they can handle it, but don't.



  • @NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Summary from another forum:

    1. Hanigan needs another season of Super Rugby, to work on his impact and accuracy. Get Brad Thorn to help him work on that as I've been quite impressed with his coaching at QLD Country (NRC) - always see their guys take that "power step" into contact zone and it pays dividends.

    2. Replace him with Dempsey for the game in RSA - we're not going to out-beast the Boks, so better we just out-fluffybunny them. A backrow of Dempsey, Hooper, and McMahon is about as fucking annoying a thing I could think of from a Wallaby opponent pov.

    3. Speight continues to be the shittiest top-line winger we have for defensive positioning. Ponies fans can talk about his attack all they want, but he gets caught shooting inward too often for Test rugby.

    4. Rodda is looking the goods. His combination in the second row was a big contributor to our late-game scrum dominance, along with the Pumas replacements being ordinary. More on that in a minute. The other thing about Rodda is that he gets stuck into the work a good donkey should: cleaning out, putting pricks on the deck, and not doing anything too ambitious for a second rower's limited brain power.

    5. Uelese has been solid in both his appearances. Temperament looks good, and he's got that young, puissant man's complete lack of fear. Snaffled an important turnover when we were farting around early in the second half, and ran hard all day. How much must he love having TPN as a mentor in camp?

    6. Creevy must have gotten sick of the sight of Coleman belting six shades of shit out of him. it seemed like, every time he got the ball, Coleman was there to hit him. Magic.

    7. McMahon and Hooper are so deadly together, and just need a better 6 (Dempsey, as I said, so you know its the truth) to help balance that back row so the tight five can do what they need to do.

    8. The backline was a bit quiet IMHO, with the odd flash of brilliance but not enough consistency. Hard to overshadow that back row performance.

    9. FUCK Canberra. Bitch, bitch, moan moan. We're the most successful Aussie province and never get a Test match. You got one, you fucked it up. The end.

    Wish I'd taped it! Is part two coming (see 4.)?

    Is Uelese very influential, or were you merely taking the puiss?



  • @pakman said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Is part two coming (see 4.)?

    Ah, yes.

    I watched Los Pumas against both the ABs and us. The tenacity they showed; the understanding of their own limitations and how they need to play. And their starters seem to really buy into this.

    What struck me is how underdone their bench is. Performance really drops off when they bring guys off the pine.

    It shows, perhaps, that having a single Super team to pick from won't ever help their depth. In fact, their desire to pick only Super Rugby guys probably holds them back.

    That is, unless they get more starters in other Super teams 🤔 e.g. Cubelli's stint at the ponies.

    But with the competition contracting by a few teams, I think they need to open up their scope a little and maybe allow a few more guys to go back to France or the UK.



  • @pakman said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Is Uelese very influential, or were you merely taking the puiss?

    He was great. Really important turnover that shifted the momentum and his support play was superb. Got a try, throwing was good at lineout. Top game by the young bloke in his second outing - considering he's had 28 minutes of Super Rugby this year + U-20 world cup, he didn't look out of place.



  • nick, it's all your wingers, not just speight - though he may be the worst.
    the coaching has to be to blame. (grey yeah?) they just make so many bad decisions out wide on who to commit to and when to trust the inside man.
    this is stuff that often costs tries too - easy way to tighten up a few points there.



  • @reprobate Disagree on Hodge - knows how to hold his line and trust the inside defence. Good acceleration, not the best top line speed.



  • @NTA sweet, to be fair i'm judging him on seeing him when he first started out - which is probably not fair... shouldn't apply a blanket rhule, so to speak.



  • @NTA Totally agree. If they're not well ahead by 60 they're not in the hunt.



  • "Rhule" - well played 🙂

    Hodge is a bit of a puzzle. Capable of playing pretty much anywhere from 12 out, and has that big boot to clear the zone and kick long range goals.

    🤔 Actually I'd like to see him have a pop at the Boks from inside our half, given its up on the veldt (Bloem)



  • @NTA said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    @pakman said in Wallabies v Pumas:

    Is Uelese very influential, or were you merely taking the puiss?

    He was great. Really important turnover that shifted the momentum and his support play was superb. Got a try, throwing was good at lineout. Top game by the young bloke in his second outing - considering he's had 28 minutes of Super Rugby this year + U-20 world cup, he didn't look out of place.

    Sounds one to watch for future: I'll do so.

    Did you watch AB-SA? Thought Dreyer 'competed' very effectively until Nige cottoned on!



  • @pakman Nope - but I bought a FoxSportsAU subscription for $1 to get the on-demand replays so will get to it.


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