Crusaders v Sharks - QF



  • Crusaders

    1 Tim Perry
    2 Codie Taylor
    3 Owen Franks
    4 Scott Barrett
    5 Sam Whitelock (c)
    6 Jordan Taufua
    7 Matt Todd (vc)
    8 Kieran Read
    9 Bryn Hall
    10 Richie Mo'unga
    11 George Bridge
    12 Ryan Crotty (vc)
    13 Jack Goodhue
    14 Seta Tamanivalu
    15 David Havili

    Reserves
    16 Andrew Makalio
    17 Wyatt Crockett
    18 Michael Alaalatoa
    19 Luke Romano
    20 Pete Samu
    21 Mitchell Drummond
    22 Mitchell Hunt
    23 Manasa Mataele



  • They need more All Blacks, or ABs squad members, in that 15!



  • Other than if Moody was available to start (and Perry not being in the 23) that is the strongest starting XV we have put out all season.



  • @machpants We will Have Soon Bridge will be an Allblack,So may Alaalatoa when he qualifies



  • @chris I think Alaalatoa will be eligible in a month, or thereabouts.



  • @stargazer Thanks Mate maybe end of year tour prospect



  • Nope on Alaalatoa - we have too many poaches at that moment (plus he's an Aussie ughhhhh).



  • @nepia said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    Nope on Alaalatoa - we have too many poaches at that moment (plus he's an Aussie ughhhhh).

    I’m sure he will soon discover his ‘dream’ was to play for the All Blacks ever since he was a kid running around in Sydney....



  • @nepia Hes already sent Australia packing Black Jersey around the corner



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @nepia Hes already sent Australia packing Black Jersey around the corner

    Can you repeat that in English? 😉



  • @chris Sure. Hes going to be an Allblack real soon 😎



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @chris Sure. Hes going to be an Allblack real soon 😎

    Boo. Looks like the bloody Walrus was right ...



  • @nepia said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @chris Sure. Hes going to be an Allblack real soon 😎

    Boo. Looks like the bloody Walrus was right ...

    South Pacific All Stars



  • @mariner4life Whatever it takes to lift the cup ask Idiot Jones and Mr Cheika



  • it's, like, not worth your soul, man



  • @mariner4life Professional World these days, same as business always employ the best people as a lot rides on the outcomes. Revenue which leads to Rugby surviving in NZ at an elite level and peoples jobs, not just the coaches and players but all people on and around the winning teams.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @mariner4life Professional World these days, same as business always employ the best people as a lot rides on the outcomes. Revenue which leads to Rugby surviving in NZ at an elite level and peoples jobs, not just the coaches and players but all people on and around the winning teams.

    all these updates, still no down vote button



  • @mariner4life True I could do with one



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @mariner4life True I could do with one

    could you what



  • @mariner4life HAHA for you. with your antiquated. ideas



  • @machpants said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    They need more All Blacks, or ABs squad members, in that 15!

    Just chuck dagg on the bench to bump the AB's numbers up



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @chris Sure. Hes going to be an Allblack real soon 😎

    I can't that happen in a near future. There is a long queue for the TH position : Franks, Laulala, Ofa T, JTA, Atu Moli ... I don't see him leapfrog any of these props.



  • Sorry, "I can't see that happen ...".



  • @cgrant reckon he'd be rated ahead of JTA, with Franks on his way out....but yeah few injuries to get him in.



  • @cgrant Franks nearing the End of his career,JTA is not going to last long hes rubbish,Moli lets see how he comes back from an injury meanwhile Alaalatoa. keeps putting in strong performances hes not staying In NZ for fun when he could take a wallaby jersey I would think hes had a shoulder tap to stay from the ABs selector's,We shall see won't we



  • @act-crusader said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    Other than if Moody was available to start (and Perry not being in the 23) that is the strongest starting XV we have put out all season.

    Exactly the team I would have picked for this week - and would only switch in Moody to start if he was available (with Wyatt retaining the bench spot).

    Other than that, we're probably only missing Funnell and a fully firing Dagg from our best team.



  • Yeah if all fit you'd have Moody of course and I'd have Dagg on the bench for the 🇫🇯 carthorse.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @mariner4life HAHA for you. with your antiquated. ideas

    Nah fuck that. Part of the attraction of sport for me is the buy in because the teams I support are a part of me.

    Particularly so with international representative teams. If I want to watch hybrid teams with the best mercenaries money can buy I'll watch the Top 14 or whatever sponsors name the English are calling their premiership at the moment.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @cgrant Franks nearing the End of his career,JTA is not going to last long hes rubbish,Moli lets see how he comes back from an injury meanwhile Alaalatoa. keeps putting in strong performances hes not staying In NZ for fun when he could take a wallaby jersey I would think hes had a shoulder tap to stay from the ABs selector's,We shall see won't we

    JTA is only 27 years old, which is still young for a prop. He's had a few bad games but he is not rubbish. He can be outstanding. He is just lacking consistency.
    I hope Moli can come back as he is a very good player. Alex Fidow is another prop who had improved a lot before his injury.
    I agree with you concerning Alalaatoa's good performances but he is far from the finished product. His scrummaging is weak but this could be sorted out.
    Tyrel Lomax is another Australian prop who is playing in NZ to be an All Black one day. But I reckon his workrate is not as good as Alalaatoa's. However his scrummaging seems slightly better.



  • @booboo You are supporting teams like that now. Chiefs,Highlanders are chock full of players who don't belong to their region,Crusaders,Hurricanes and Blues also have players not part of their regions same thing but on a different scale



  • @cgrant Lomax isn't an Australian the way Alaalatoa is.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @booboo You are supporting teams like that now. Chiefs,Highlanders are chock full of players who don't belong to their region,Crusaders,Hurricanes and Blues also have players not part of their regions same thing but on a different scale

    To a degree which is a reason why there's not the same passion for Super Rugby.

    I don't want that in international representative rugby. It needs to be controlled far more.



  • @booboo I have very little connection to any Super side, but support Northland regardless.

    In an ideal world they'd be 100% local players, but that has never been the case, in recent years aside from Super players, all players picked for Northland have to play club rugby here, which I think is as good as we can expect.

    However, when it comes to the ABs I am less keen when we play some players (frizzel, Sivi, Tamanivalu et al) because it adds fuel to the poaching fire.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @booboo You are supporting teams like that now. Chiefs,Highlanders are chock full of players who don't belong to their region,Crusaders,Hurricanes and Blues also have players not part of their regions same thing but on a different scale

    There's no comparison between franchise rugby and international rugby - they are two completely different things and it's stupid to compare them. Why should we adopt the same rules for international rugby as we do franchise rugby?



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @cgrant Franks nearing the End of his career.

    Owen's showing a few battle scars this season, but despite that he's been around forever he's only 30. If he turned out to have Wyatt Crockett or Tony Woodcock-like durability, there's a prospect that he could play at four World Cups. Sam Whitelock's only 29 and is the other of the current crop who could possibly make that. Both still have live tickets to four winners medals - and that's all I've got to say about that. 🙂

    Lomax has just turned 22 so heaps of room for development. He's an unusual story, born in Oz, grew up in NZ playing league I believe, and switched to rugby when his family shifted back to Oz. I wouldn't really regard him as a poach, but Alaalatoa is pretty Australian.

    However, the rules are set and everyone is using them!



  • @nepia No it is more stupid not too. As its still played in 5 countries in determines who plays for what,country International Rugby is a mess. England,France,Scotland,Walres,Ireland,Australia,Japan to name a few riddled with players from other countries in fact if they weren't they would not be able to compete,New Zealand has players not born in New Zealand since almost day 1 of the Allblacks, its a fact of life and complaining about it will do. no good its called professional and Rugby is being dragged kicking and screaming into it is not going to change.
    Everyone playing Rugby has the right to earn the best money they can its a short lifespan at the top.



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @nepia No it is more stupid not too. As its still played in 5 countries in determines who plays for what,country International Rugby is a mess. England,France,Scotland,Walres,Ireland,Australia,Japan to name a few riddled with players from other countries in fact if they weren't they would not be able to compete,New Zealand has players not born in New Zealand since almost day 1 of the Allblacks, its a fact of life and complaining about it will do. no good its called professional and Rugby is being dragged kicking and screaming into it is not going to change.
    Everyone playing Rugby has the right to earn the best money they can its a short lifespan at the top.

    Damn, that is a stupid reason for poaching players. We may as well dispense with internationals if that is the case. (TBH, I'm not 100% certain you're just not trolling here because I can't fathom a NZer thinking the above is fine).

    Also, you're conflating acceptable non NZ born players with blatant professional poaches and they're not the same.

    Also, calling something professional rugby does not make blatant poaching any better or some sort of fait accompli - professional rugby in NZ and elsewhere can exist without blatant poaches. Furthermore, Japan having blatant poaches and NZ having them are bloody different things. We don't need them. NZ rugby is going to go fine without Alaalatoa, Taminavalu and Frizell.



  • @nepia that’s an insult born and breed Kiwi who played rugby since I was 5 then coached at junior rep and senior club level
    Frizell is already in the ABs and is a Hansen pet and is not going anywhere
    It’s the times Mate sit and watch as more players are selected that are not born in their countries you can sit and moan about it but it’s going to carry on I am being realistic didn’t say I love it hated John Gallagher being selected he was a dead set fukin Pom



  • @chris said in Crusaders v Sharks - QF:

    @nepia that’s an insult born and breed Kiwi who played rugby since I was 5 then coached at junior rep and senior club level
    Frizell is already in the ABs and is a Hansen pet and is not going anywhere
    It’s the times Mate sit and watch as more players are selected that are not born in their countries you can sit and moan about it but it’s going to carry on I am being realistic didn’t say I love it hated John Gallagher being selected he was a dead set fukin Pom

    So you're proposing international representative rugby be scrapped and we just have club rugby?

    Just because something is reality doesn't make it any more acceptable.

    Countries exploit the current rules. Doesn't mean eligibility shouldn't be tightened.

    Much like being a New Zealander involved in rugby doesn't make you any less wrong.



  • @booboo
    None of my posts propose scrapping International Rugby for club Rugby that’s a knee jerk reaction from someone who can’t persuade someone from agreeing with their own beliefs.
    International Rugby Rules are and always have been controlled by England and their minions in the NH.
    They are not going to tighten anything other than their own bank accounts.You need to get off your morale high horse and understand you have no say it what happens in International Rugby .So enjoy it for what it is or don’t watch it.


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