Low Fat vs Low Carb



  • Which is best for weight loss and overall health? Personally I think the whole "low fat" mantra is bunkem (except perhaps if you're an extreme athlete, then you'll probably need plenty of carbs). I have been losing weight effortlessly just by reducing carbs with no increase in concious exercise (I say concious as I seem to fidget and spontaneously want to move more often than before).

    I have been reading up about low carb and especially this guy's research into the field, [URL="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WUYOQ6/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0307272702&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JYHKX5F0EJED3D0RZS6"]Gary Taubes[/URL]. Really convincing stuff.



  • Right on deepblue, I am on the other side of the fence too, just finished reading Robb Wolf's book, very good read. Grains are the crux of the issue. Carbs perse aren't inherently bad. Sweet potatoes, yams, veges and some fruit are good sources' - thats where Atkins went wrong, but Atkins was generally heading in the right direction.

    Grains are terrible source of carbs, just because we can seemingly tolerate them (some better than others) doesn't make good for us. Humans are poorly adapted to consume grains - they irritate the gut lining leading to leaky gut and autoimmunity issues which sucks because grains are the #1 food source, the world absolutely revolves around them and the propaganda machines of the world pump out their crap with grains at the base of food pyramids, saying we need to eat whole grains and low fat diets blah blah blah. The average punter gobbles it up and believes this it to be true.

    I cut out bread and pasta and peeled of 10kg of spare tire fat in 2 months, no change in exercise, still ate a lot, just more of the right foods, no more bloated feelings after eating, no more indigestion, smooth digestion. Best I have ever felt.

    The proof is in the pudding, you cant convince people about this, you gotta try it.
    "Paleo solution" or "Primal blueprint" are good places to start.



  • grains and bread make me and the Mrs swell! retain water like amd and feel bloated, it's horrible. And it's how people must feel ALL THE TIME, but just not know it!!

    cut out processed grains and life gets better!!

    sugars too - drink the diet soda etc. You'll lose the bloat!

    low fat? That's just common sense - cut the fat off your steak. choose the low fat option. you get enough fats in your diet by just eating good food, you don't need to run around eating raw fat!

    and fad diet is just that, a fad. Eat well, in moderation, and you can't really go wrong. A friend of ours has cut bread from her diet - lost 11 kilos so far, and that is ALL she did, stop eating bread!



  • Ok fellas, what grains should we cut out? All? No bread (actually I have no idea what else is grain!)

    What are substitutes for my two pieces of toast with Marmite in the morning considering I can't stand cereal (which is grain I assume anyway?).

    I hover between 95 - 100kgs pretty much constantly and want to get down to 90kg.



  • A good place to start is to try and cut out foods with "white" in it, ie white bread, white flour products (which is alot), white rice. The problem with it is it had been refined that the goodness from the raw material has been mostly taken away.

    You want to avoid bread/toast for breakfast, eat natural oats. Cook in water in microwave, add some protein whey powder and throw some blueberries on top. I eat that every third day. I also make my own "museli" with wholegrain rolled oats, natural almond kernels, natural peanuts, sunflower seeds, pepitas, natural dried sultanas without vegetable oil. A bowl of that with some whey powder and skim milk.



  • molenburg would be a good start. Like all things, in moderation it ain't going to kill you!! I used to though easily demolish a half loaf of bread in a toast frenzy snack attack after work. Just so easy to cook and eat.

    I do that oats for breakfast (whole grain etc), a cup of oats, scoop of protein powder and a chopped up Kiwi fruit. I don't cook it though, just eat it raw - the protein powder makes it into cocopops...!!



  • Just a wee note - be careful not to cut out too many complex carbs, it can affect your mental health eventually!



  • Love my oats cold. Just cover them in skim milk the night before and add some cinnamon. Eat next morning....mmmm....cant usually get it in to me fast enough.

    Like my protein shakes with water. Been using the new nutrawhey cookies and cream flavour, again cant get enough of it - tastes that good!



  • I do that sometimes too - prepare the night before so they swell at little more!! BUt at the moment enjoying straight off the bat!



  • haha chewy styles. Need to make sure ya drink plenty of water then - although im sure you do that anyway mate.

    Oats are great eh. Weetbix...I don't remember you.



  • I have always prescribed to what you eat needs to correlate with your goals. Not many ultra marathon runners tucking into high protein food and not many body builders eating mounds of slow release carbs.

    Probably something in that.

    As for weight well its just about calories, eat more then you burn go up less go down. Newton taught us that.

    Mooshld



  • cornflakes - I sometimes get a craving for cornflakes so on the off season treat day, I'll hace cornflakes for breakfast, with milk. But takes about half a bag before I am even half full!



  • [quote name='BartMan']cornflakes - I sometimes get a craving for cornflakes so on the off season treat day, I'll hace cornflakes for breakfast, with milk. But takes about half a bag before I am even half full![/QUOTE]

    Why on a treat day, are cornflakes not a good breakfast?



  • just read the back of the packets to see what is good and not when it comes to cerials. But basically no, Cornflakes is not a good option - for me anyway, it's probably not the worst of options though for most. Better than coco pops at any rate!!



  • [quote name='ACT Crusader']A good place to start is to try and cut out foods with "white" in it, ie white bread, white flour products (which is alot), white rice. The problem with it is it had been refined that the goodness from the raw material has been mostly taken away.

    You want to avoid bread/toast for breakfast, eat natural oats. Cook in water in microwave, add some protein whey powder and throw some blueberries on top. I eat that every third day. I also make my own "museli" with wholegrain rolled oats, natural almond kernels, natural peanuts, sunflower seeds, pepitas, natural dried sultanas without vegetable oil. A bowl of that with some whey powder and skim milk.[/QUOTE]
    I can't stand that type of stuff for breakfast - which is why I eat toast. I can't stand oats. Shame, seemed I'm doomed to tubbyness .

    [QUOTE]molenburg would be a good start.[/QUOTE]
    Is that to get rid of Bart?



  • [quote name='mooshld']I have always prescribed to what you eat needs to correlate with your goals. Not many ultra marathon runners tucking into high protein food and not many body builders eating mounds of slow release carbs.

    Probably something in that.

    As for weight well its just about calories, eat more then you burn go up less go down. Newton taught us that.

    Mooshld[/QUOTE]

    Most on here just want to be healthy, so looking at food packaging, eating more foods in their natural state, exercise, sleep etc all helps for a healthy lifestyle. Other than Bart and his BB exploits many of us are either weekend warriors or just keen on working out and actually getting results.



  • Oats...not as great as they appear to be...[URL="http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/03/oatmeal-good-or-bad.html"]http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/03/oatmeal-good-or-bad.html[/URL]

    (that is a cardiologists blog)

    eating a bowl of candy or eating a bowl of oats - one hour after consumption, your blood sugar will be at the same level.
    Granted oats is the lesser of two evils, but nonetheless, definitely worth considering.
    I used to eat porridge daily for breakfast and then at 10 am I would be absolutely craving food as the high G.I oatmeal is rapidly digested and raises your blood sugar and then you get a insulin response which drops you right down and then you are on the blood sugar/ insulin rollercoaster.
    Oats are also high in the amino acid proline. Prolamines (proline rich proteins) are tough to digest, and thus remain intact despite the best efforts of the digestive process to break them down. The result is gut irritation and the slippery slope that that can lead to.

    If you really love oats, look for steel cut oats, they have a lower G. I but need more prep/cooking time.



  • molenburg - nah, just less processed type of bread - i LOVE it, can demolish a loaf in a sitting when I am allowed too....

    That is interesting QV, but I find it hard to believe that candy / oats thing, or maybe not, but I'm piccking your blood sugar after the candy will spike like the Eiffel tower before coming back down, while the oats will be pretty constant.

    And you always should be hungry by ten - that's time for your second meal of the day!!!!! Or mine anyway - banana time right now actually!



  • [quote name='Quo vadis']eating a bowl of candy or eating a bowl of oats - one hour after consumption, your blood sugar will be at the same level.
    Granted oats is the lesser of two evils, but nonetheless, definitely worth considering.
    I used to eat porridge daily for breakfast and then at 10 am I would be absolutely craving food as the high G.I oatmeal is rapidly digested and raises your blood sugar and then you get a insulin response which drops you right down and then you are on the blood sugar/ insulin rollercoaster..[/QUOTE]

    Yeah this is what I found when I was eating porridge or weetbix for breakfast, I would be terribly hungry by 10:00am and craving high sugar junk (my favourite was kitkat chunky from work vending machine). It wasn't untill I started eating scrambled eggs for breakfast (without toast) that I realised that being that hungry by 10:00am isn't normal or neccessary, if I have a decent fat+protein low carb breakfast I find I don't even think about food untill lunchtime.

    I think some people (especially those with desk jobs) don't tolerate carbs very well, you can go for the wholegrainy more complex stuff but that doesn't help if it makes you crave more carbs a few hours later.

    I have lost 7.5kgs in 8 weeks eating low carb with minimal exercise, once I hit my goal weight I will start introducing back some complex carbs and add some exercise (MRT) and see how I go.



  • maybe the protein powder inn the oats makes a difference? and the Kiwifruiit, or in the non lean season, kf and banana??