All Blacks v Springboks



  • I'm on a gif and Image roll today.
    So ......
    Quick tap before the Kolbe try. Faf positioned himself well (such good instincts) but he gave himself a run up

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  • @rapido That was irritating because he was clearly offside and Owens let play continue.



  • @antipodean Nige doesn't police the offside line hard, and normally it suits the ABs. When we are attacking for most of the match, it suited the Bokke defence, who were offside at each ruck more often than not. Not saying the ABs weren't as well, but I don't watch for our offsides!



  • Faf was a super pest in this game. Played bloody well.



  • Not sure Faf had a great deal of impact on that play anyway - he flew up super fast and Aaron Smith stepped him like he wasn't even there.



  • @kiwimurph said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Not sure Faf had a great deal of impact on that play anyway - he flew up super fast and Aaron Smith stepped him like he wasn't even there.

    Yeah, I agree, some mentioned it in the thread so I thought I would have a look.



  • Point of first contact, Smiht only gets about 2 metres .... But Faf is flying and easily evaded.
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  • All others manage to get back onside.
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  • @rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Point of first contact, Smiht only gets about 2 metres .... But Faf is flying and easily evaded.
    0_1537248584411_contact.png

    Reminds me of a Super game where Wendell Sailor stepped or fended about 6 tacklers yet only made a net gain of under a metre.



  • The Faf defense I picture above.

    Grabbing those stills. You see that Faf is such an alert and energetic little bugger. He knows advantage is playing and play may come back to that spot for the penalty. He anticipates a quick tap and ready and waiting while Aaron is running the ball back to the spot.

    Anticipating All Blacks wanting to the up the tempo and getting in there.

    Like the Jordie quick throw.



  • @mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Point of first contact, Smiht only gets about 2 metres .... But Faf is flying and easily evaded.
    0_1537248584411_contact.png

    Reminds me of a Super game where Wendell Sailor stepped or fended about 6 tacklers yet only made a net gain of under a metre.

    I remember that game. Gordon Bray was creaming himself.

    Or was that Tuquri



  • @nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @nepia I think thats the thing, natural instinct is to run it, so while they were set, they look up, see the space...whereas say an English 10, natural instinct is to go for the DG, so the 9 looks up, sees the space, but they follow through.

    Different mindset.

    Yeah, it's funny, if the Saffa wing come up a bit quicker or slower or DMac has the ball a little bit more to the left we'd all be hailing this as a gutsy comeback win probably.

    Well, we would. But that's because people forget what they said a couple of hours earlier.

    Loads of people were predicting a large win. The Bok coach was getting shit for his "must win game" comments. If people thought the Boks had a chance, then it was back home, not in NZ. This isn't a great Bok team, and we fielded a strong side. Did anyone here predict a close game?

    So even if the ball goes to hand and we score a late try, that doesn't explain the discrepancy of prior expectations to results.

    When the kids at school go "we were inches from winning" they don't get much sympathy. I certainly don't give it to adults.



  • @majorrage I'm pretty sure it was Tuqiri and it was against the Hurricanes. I think he managed to push Collins and So'oialox2 while doing his sideways run.



  • Faf was off side slot and a couple of wee tugs on jersies too (think it was Karl T he tackled slightly early causing him to spill the ball)...but he got away with it so why wouldn't he keep pushing.



  • @majorrage said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Point of first contact, Smiht only gets about 2 metres .... But Faf is flying and easily evaded.
    0_1537248584411_contact.png

    Reminds me of a Super game where Wendell Sailor stepped or fended about 6 tacklers yet only made a net gain of under a metre.

    I remember that game. Gordon Bray was creaming himself.

    Or was that Tuquri

    Either or. All those guys look the same to me.



  • @mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Point of first contact, Smiht only gets about 2 metres .... But Faf is flying and easily evaded.
    0_1537248584411_contact.png

    Reminds me of a Super game where Wendell Sailor stepped or fended about 6 tacklers yet only made a net gain of under a metre.

    I remember that game. Gordon Bray was creaming himself.

    Or was that Tuquri

    Either or. All those guys look the same to me.

    If Bray was creaming himself then it was probably Ben Tune.



  • Just finished watching the 1014 show.

    Really interesting that the AB pod structure this week had the props as the playmaker. I didn't notice that while watching.



  • Nobody reviews games better than these boys.



  • @frye

    aussie rules style pass should have won it.



  • New here on the TSF. Always read the forums, first poster timer😉.



  • @mg First time poster🙄



  • @mg welcome aboard. Cracking start to kick off with replying to and critiquing your own posts.



  • Re the comments about offside and Faf, I had a look at the last 5 minutes again to see where the AR call of offside was and it was actually marginal (probably why Nige ignored it). That was with me watching the AR when he clicked his microphone to talk. What was noticeable was that Faf was actually working hard to stay onside and not concede a penalty. It was Le Roux that was constantly offside shutting down thought of spreading the ball to Ioane.

    The ABs should have deliberately run at him, brought him into the game and claimed the penalty (and probably Red Card)



  • @bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    @mg welcome aboard. Cracking start to kick off with replying to and critiquing your own posts.

    To be fair that's something we should all be doing on here. Especially me.





  • @machpants fuck his videos are irritating. Only a spastic flashes all text for less than a human can read the words.



  • I love them, watch it twice - second time for all the silly labels



  • @machpants "showcasing Wales levels of surname shallowness". Spat coffee.



  • @mn5 it's mainly a big circlejerk anyway, I wouldn't worry.



  • Should we be concerned about our inability to win the close games? Contrary to the bs spouted by the media that this team has hardly been tested and placed under pressure, they actually have been under pressure quite often in recent history.

    Over the last two years, this team have only managed to get the positive outcome 50% of the time in tight contests, not what you would expect from an AB team, especially one with so much talent. Here's a list of the games during that time that could have gone either way.

    Wellington 2017 (loss to the BIL)
    Auckland 2017 (draw with the BIL)
    Dunedin 2017 (beat Australia)
    Durban 2017 (beat the Boks)
    Brisbane 2017 (loss to Australia)
    Edinburgh 2017 (beat Scotland)
    Cardiff 2017 (beat Wales)
    Wellington 2018 (loss to the Boks)

    That's played eight, four wins, one draw and three losses.



  • @akan004 cherry pick to make the sky fall?

    how about looking at it like this. in 21 tests we are 17-1-3. In 13 of those tests we have hosed them.

    We lost a game where we had 14 blokes for 3/4s of the game
    We lost a dead rubber Bledisloe away.
    We lost one of the best tests in years.

    You know, now i think about it, we are 0-3 where we have scored less points than the opposition. That's not what you expect from a team with this much talent.

    Try looking at it this way. We never, ever lose big. if it's a loss, it's by a bee's dick. We are balls deep in every game we play. That's a pretty sweet position to be in.



  • @mariner4life How have I cherry picked? I have simply gone through the close games over the last two years and reported the results. Granted we were down to 14 against the BIL but we were also up by 9 points in that game heading into the last 20 minutes. Should have closed that out. Ditto with Auckland the next week.

    Bear in mind, we have had three poor results at home over a 15 month period. That's unheard of in recent times. Not as sweet as you make it out to be.



  • because 3 from 21 is the real figure, not 3 from 8 with some arbitrary margin cut-off.

    How many did we lose by 10+?



  • @mariner4life I am judging how a team responds to pressure, and therefore looking at the tight games is the only way to get a true gauge of that.



  • Seems a fair enough sub-set to me, and a potentially interesting discussion starting point.



  • Whereas i see every game as pressure. We were under the pump in Sydney, down 7-0 with Aussies hammering us. We went bang before half time, bang after time, and blew the game open. We win by heaps, and you don't count it. Great response.

    Pressure in test matches is not just the last 10 minutes.

    And even in those metrics you have decided are dire, look at the individual games. On the weekend we were one stuck pass from bailing ourselves out. In the Lions series a spurious ref decision changes a probable win to a draw (having executed a very nice play to give us that opportunity). The Lions test we lost was another fairly innocuous penalty to lose it.



  • Interesting take



  • Some fair enough points you raised, but I still maintain that the pressure experienced in the last ten to fifteen minutes in a tight Test is far more intense than at the 40th minute mark. Added to that, this Aussie team seems incapable of keeping up with us in the last quarter of the game unlike the Boks and the BIL. I'm not saying we are a bunch of no-hopers who crumble under pressure , but I think there are signs that this team may not be as composed as some of our prior teams. I may very well be wrong but I think it's fair to raise this as a discussion point.



  • I think if you really want to do some analysis you need to look at all the tests over that period, look at the HT/FT scores as well, because IIRC there have been a number we have been down at half time and end up winning comfortably, but not included in your 'close matches' analysis, surely they have dealt with the pressure in those games?



  • @akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

    Some fair enough points you raised, but I still maintain that the pressure experienced in the last ten to fifteen minutes in a tight Test is far more intense than what happens at 40th minute mark. Added to that, this Aussie team seems incapable of keeping up with us in the last quarter of the game unlike the Boks and the BIL. I'm not saying we are a bunch of no-hopers who crumble under pressure , but I think there are signs that this team may not be as composed as some of our prior teams. I may very well be wrong but I think it's fair to raise this as a discussion point.

    i prefer to look at how the game ended. Were we in a position to win it? Or were we stuck at our own end with no chance?

    The Bok game, and the drawn Lions test, we were down the right end, and only some great defense held us out. We weren't clueless how to win, or choking under the pressure, we were beaten by a team that did the right thing for just long enough. It happens.

    I would be more worried if we were getting blown out of the water in those last 10 minutes.

    What i find more interesting is how often we lose when we don't score 22 points. Since the start of 2015 we have failed to score 22 points 8 times. We lost 5 of those, and drew one.


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