RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)



  • @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @bayimports welcome back. Does the timing of your return have anything to do with a certain 20+ win against the Taniwha today πŸ˜€

    Lol not quite, but any win against the Taniwha is great. RWC certainly main focus, but happy nonetheless that BoP are playing well



  • @DMX said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @mofitzy_

    Maybe a little harsh, but plenty would have had Rieko and Bender chosen that’s a fact. I would understand Bender still being a chance if we were to face Ireland in terrible conditions but bar injury will be tough to drop incumbents. Not sure that a low confidence out of form Rieko can even eclipse Jordie at the moment. My opinion is he should have stayed home for the other Iaone.

    Nothing Bridge or Reece have done in the last couple of games has convinced me that they are the clear best wing combo. They have had good moments but they are just the minimum standard we expect from our wingers. The way we dealt with the high ball in this game, which wasn’t great, reeces defensive positioning and a couple of silly offloads to no one are still concerning.

    This β€œlow confidence, out of form” Ioane thing is a myth. If we are judging everyone on those games he played for the ABs this year then most of them should have been dropped.



  • Let me clarify. If Reece or Bridge score the winning try in the final i will cheer the roof down. But i also think it could turn into one of the many β€œwhy the fuck was he left out?” moments that we look back on for decades.



  • Some expectation bias with Rieko I think. We all know just how good he can be, so if he isn't up to his normal (very high) standard we feel let down. The other two are rookies at international level so get cut some slack.



  • I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

    Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

    Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess



  • @Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I remember for the last 2 northern tours when we were endlessly chip kicking, Reiko was seemingly our only attacking threat with ball in hand.

    Back peddling, no forwards, give the ball to Reiko and hope he makes a half break or at least some go forward. A job the youngest all black performed admirably.

    Hope he has a blinder next game. He's done more in black than the other 2, but overall it's not a bad problem to have I guess

    Yeah. Am a fan. Have seen what he can do, but for some reason he hasn't seemingly been getting the ball in the sort of space that the others have.

    Maybe that is form, ie, positioning yourself off the ball, maybe it's fitness/sharpness, maybe it's luck.

    Just really would like to see him back to his best because he has the speed of the others, but added advantage of size.

    A good big man will always ...



  • Watch out Canada and/or Namibia.



  • @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.



  • If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

    Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

    Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

    Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @booboo yeah it does seem rough he is being held to that Perth performance whereas others held and judged on the next performance.

    It won't be as simple as that. What is happening at training and their GPS data will also be taken into account. But it is hard to force your way back into the starting XV if you aren't playing.

    @booboo Ioane played on the right wing for the Blues this season.



  • @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    If Reiko does have a blinder against Canada and Namibia, does that actually mean anything?

    Also, of the two incumbents, who is in the firing line to be replaced by Reiko? Reece?

    Can either Bridge or Rieko play right wing?

    I don't know the answer to that. I would say Bridge maybe could as he is everywhere on the field anyway.

    If there has to be change then that is the change I would make. Bridge on Right and Reiko on left.

    As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches



  • @Bovidae yeah I realise they have more data than we see, but based on the way they have treated encumbants previously, seems Ioane has fallen further and quicker than others before him.

    GUess it will be telling to see how he responds.



  • Rieko is stronger and has better top line pace than either Bridge or Reece.

    However, Reece is more elusive and has better acceleration and Bridge's workrate and high ball ability would be better (although Rieko isn't too bad under the high ball)

    Form seems to be with Reece and Bridge but I'd be happy to see Rieko raise his game and win his spot back , just as I was happy to see Scott Barrett coming roaring back last Saturday.

    Competition for places is great!



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

    Reckon you'll see a mix and match the next two weekends, and then the players in form and training well playing Italy onwards.

    I wouldn't be surprised if that was Rieko starting, but I woulnd't be surprised if it wasn't, either.



  • @taniwharugby Remember Ioane was going to play against Tonga but for an injury niggle. It's been a case of bad luck for Rieko (poor team performance and then injury).



  • @nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    As it stands currently, I wouldn't be making the change and I expect the Reece and Bridge will start against Italy and Reiko the other two matches

    Reckon you'll see a mix and match the next two weekends, and then the players in form and training well playing Italy onwards.

    I wouldn't be surprised if that was Rieko starting, but I woulnd't be surprised if it wasn't, either.

    That's a good point. I agree.



  • @Bovidae yep, and they have always said Injury doesnt drop you down the pecking order too....dont get me wrong, as @Frank says above, competition is great, and seeing if Ioane responds to it will be interesting, as he will need to be on fire in his matches to elevate himself above the other 2 given they performed against tougher opposition.



  • I was pretty boozed and haven't read most of this thread.

    Was this game the best handling performance from the AB's in an age. Apart from Reece dropping a clanger at pace, the distribution and execution of quick ball had me breathless. I don't know how we did some of it



  • I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

    Effectively we out Bokked the Boks. I had predicted a nine point AB victory but I must admit to being very concerned in the last first 20, however once we settled it was relatively comfortable.

    The Boks don't seem to have the ability to think on the field. It's a trait of theirs. Historically they don't seem to produce sides that can adapt in real time, they need the coach to tell them what to do.

    Great game to watch (no streaming issues for me). Pretty happy with that performance - put Brodie back in the engine room and there's not many teams will be able to live with us.

    It was a statement of intent. We do have a Plan B and a Plan C too so take your rush defence and your big physical brutes and bring it on.



  • That SCO IRE result has really opened up the draw for us. We've got it as good as anyone in this RWC now we've won the opening game - a nice build into the quarters, then Samoa/Japan/Scotland, and two games to win the thing. Tough - but very very doable now if we can focus.

    All other contenders have a hard route, a physical pool generally, and a tough quarter in store. Again - we haven't won it yet, but the cards are at long last falling in our favour.

    Finally, I see we're now at $2.30 to win the thing outright on BetFair. SA and ENG at 6s, and then everyone else $10+. I like SA bette rthan that, and think England will be physically exposed by knockout time.

    Great tournament!



  • @dogmeat said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

    Strongly agree. I was saying how we out-coached them, despite being physically dominated at times. Bloody good work from the coaching team to be not only right tactically/strategically ,but also to have the skills running full noise for the game. Mental prep spot on.



  • @dogmeat said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I think the coaching panel should take a bow. They worked out how to nullify the Boks. All their selection calls came off big time too.

    Effectively we out Bokked the Boks. I had predicted a nine point AB victory but I must admit to being very concerned in the last 20, however once we settled it was relatively comfortable.

    The Boks don't seem to have the ability to think on the field. It's a trait of theirs. Historically they don't seem to produce sides that can adapt in real time, they need the coach to tell them what to do.

    Great game to watch (no streaming issues for me). Pretty happy with that performance - put Brodie back in the engine room and there's not many teams will be able to live with us.

    It was a statement of intent. We do have a Plan B and a Plan C too so take your rush defence and your big physical brutes and bring it on.

    This post got me all pumped!!!

    COME ON!!!!



  • Shag has said everyone wil get a run over the next two games, which makes sense. Then a (mostly) top team for Italy, even if they play one hand tied behind, is likely - that's what they did last time



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan

    Bloody lucky that this stupid rule didn't cost us the game

    My thoughts exactly.

    I thought we owned the refs? Clearly the independent medical staff weren't on the payroll

    It's a World Cup. The officials won't do anything until the gold watch is actually on their wrist.



  • Finally had a chance to watch most of the game again.

    I'm impressed with Bridge and Reece on attack, but still not convinced about their effectiveness under the high ball. If they are going to be out first choice wingers, we should expect high kicks all day - they put a few down and it looks an easier route to exploit us that going through us. I note lots of people saying Faf played poorly, but I think that was only execution on some kicks. Watching at the ground they would kick when they ran out of ideas - our defence is very good at maintaining composure, so after 5-6 phases, they'd go high- often getting another chance. It's a big work-on for us, as we'll now likely see plenty. In the mid second half, Reece was out of position quite a few times, and we dropped a couple more, and I was screaming for them to bring on Bender, just to slow down the main danger, because apart from gaining ground and opportunities through kicks, we did very well stopping them

    On the other hand, our box kicks and bombs weren't really that good - we only got a payoff when we avoided Kolbe - who was excellent. I could have murdered A Smith for his shitty kick to Kolbe in the second half that led to his break. I was right behind and was flabbergasted he kicked that - we were well set right and finally had a bit of territory. It wasn't the execution, but the rationale, and when he dealt with it well, again, he broke out and we ended up conceding a soft try- at the ground I thought that PSDT was offside coming back, but too bad.

    The scrum got a good workout, Nepo looked good except for one scrum and Moody had some trouble - later our bench props performed about as well as can be expected. Locks were good, loosies good, Hlafback kicking needs some work, midfield good (especially ALB) although they barely used SBW - why bring him on and then never put the ball in his hands?

    Wings need to improve high ball bomb disposal. Personally, I think that Ioane is still one of our two best wings, but on attack, it's hard to go past the current two, and if Rieko hasn't been putting in the work or is carrying a slight injury, then too bad. Having said that, if I was an opposition coach, I'd be trying the target Cory Jane bomb trick on our current two as neither are half as reliable.

    I can't see us making too many changes to that team, Scott Barrett will go to the bench if we get BBBR back, which probably allows Todd to go to the bench.



  • @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Rieko is stronger and has better top line pace than either Bridge or Reece

    However, Reece is more elusive and has better acceleration and Bridge's workrate and high ball ability would be better (although Rieko isn't too bad under the high ball)

    Form seems to be with Reece and Bridge but I'd be happy to see Rieko raise his game and win his spot back , just as I was happy to see Scott Barrett coming roaring back last Saturday.

    Competition for places is great!

    Has that been published or is their video of it? Or is it one of those vibe things?



  • I thought aside from a couple of early wobbles, that our wingers completely nullified the Springbok's kicking game. Bridge and Reece were both very safe. I know fans can watch the same game and see different things depending on their perception and what they are looking for, but I cannot agree that Reiko Ioane is anywhere near George Bridge when it comes to kick reception skills. It's been one of Bridge's strengths since his career started. Reiko Ioane is brilliant with ball in hand, and is stronger/more powerful, but George Bridge pips him in just about every other skillset.



  • @Cantab79 said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I thought aside from a couple of early wobbles, that our wingers completely nullified the Springbok's kicking game. Bridge and Reece were both very safe. I know fans can watch the same game and see different things depending on their perception and what they are looking for, but I cannot agree that Reiko Ioane is anywhere near George Bridge when it comes to kick reception skills. It's been one of Bridge's strengths since his career started. Reiko Ioane is brilliant with ball in hand, and is stronger/more powerful, but George Bridge pips him in just about every other skillset.

    I thought Bridge played well. Rieko has been off for a while, and the one thing Bridge always gives you is big effort. The guy is into everything. Reece had a few moments of quality that promise magic to come



  • Reado got away with being a bit of a naughty boy. PSDT got up and kept running, but apparently the saffa press reckon he could have doid



  • @canefan haha didnt one of them have Ardie round the neck in one maul?

    FFS media are sh!t cnuts!



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan haha didnt one of them have Ardie round the neck in one maul?

    FFS media are sh!t cnuts!

    Yep, ardie was held in a headlock for one tackle. Apparantly that wasn't high...



  • Read the comments to Nel's tweet in the article. Plenty are calling him out for his selective choice of foul play.



  • @Kirwan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan haha didnt one of them have Ardie round the neck in one maul?

    FFS media are sh!t cnuts!

    Yep, ardie was held in a headlock for one tackle. Apparantly that wasn't high...

    It's making that particular South African media person look like a sore loser and there for 'South Africans' looking like poor losers (Which isn't the case as the ones I have spoken to reckon it was a great game to watch but just disappointed they didn't win)

    They only real howler of the match, and I try to watch with both eyes, is the lack of a card for that blatant foul stopping us from scoring a try.

    When the whistle went, I expected to ref to be heading to the posts for PT at first



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Kirwan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan haha didnt one of them have Ardie round the neck in one maul?

    FFS media are sh!t cnuts!

    Yep, ardie was held in a headlock for one tackle. Apparantly that wasn't high...

    It's making that particular South African media person look like a sore loser and there for 'South Africans' looking like poor losers (Which isn't the case as the ones I have spoken to reckon it was a great game to watch but just disappointed they didn't win)

    They only real howler of the match, and I try to watch with both eyes, is the lack of a card for that blatant foul stopping us from scoring a try.

    When the whistle went, I expected to ref to be heading to the posts for PT at first

    At first watch it looked like the tackler didn't release but on video he actually did - I think ref would have gone to pocket if video ref had confirmed.



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Kirwan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan haha didnt one of them have Ardie round the neck in one maul?

    FFS media are sh!t cnuts!

    Yep, ardie was held in a headlock for one tackle. Apparantly that wasn't high...

    It's making that particular South African media person look like a sore loser and there for 'South Africans' looking like poor losers (Which isn't the case as the ones I have spoken to reckon it was a great game to watch but just disappointed they didn't win)

    They only real howler of the match, and I try to watch with both eyes, is the lack of a card for that blatant foul stopping us from scoring a try.

    When the whistle went, I expected to ref to be heading to the posts for PT at first

    Yep, as Read told the ref. That was a gutless call.



  • @taniwharugby can't remember what point of the game it was but ALB was neck rolled. He got up unhurt but immediately looked at Garces, who saw the whole thing, and nothing happened.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Rieko is stronger and has better top line pace than either Bridge or Reece

    However, Reece is more elusive and has better acceleration and Bridge's workrate and high ball ability would be better (although Rieko isn't too bad under the high ball)

    Form seems to be with Reece and Bridge but I'd be happy to see Rieko raise his game and win his spot back , just as I was happy to see Scott Barrett coming roaring back last Saturday.

    Competition for places is great!

    Has that been published or is their video of it? Or is it one of those vibe things?

    Probably a vibe thing, and my vibe could be wrong when I said George Bridge has a better work rate and Reece has better acceleration.



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Reado got away with being a bit of a naughty boy. PSDT got up and kept running, but apparently the saffa press reckon he could have doid

    I love me some post-match grainy still shots with a thick red circle or bright yellow arrow on it. Especially after an AB win.

    Makes the victory just that little bit sweeter.



  • @ACT-Crusader looking at that pic, it looks like PSDT doesnt even have the ball, and looks more like his fist is hitting him, so that makes it doubly, no, triply worserer.


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