RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @SammyC said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

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    @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Steven-Harris said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @MajorRage what’s really funny was all the ball and field position the Boks had in the first 20 minutes , and their game plan consisted of bashing into contact...
    It’s all very well to highlight decisions that don’t go your way..but if you look inwardly.
    Ask themselves this question..what could we have done better when we had ball in hand...?,it’s was only when you were down 3-17 that you managed to get some ball in the hands of Cheslin Kolbe..
    They probably had the most dangerous back on the paddock ,but in the first 20 minutes you reverted to Type..
    I think they need to Take a bit of responsibility and look at your own teams performance.

    SA, along with a number of other teams, play old style rugby. Why should they not try to expand their gameplan? I know they tried it a few years ago and gave it away when there was a coaching change. My basic understanding is that at CC level they play much more open, and the Lions Stormers and Sharks certainly try to play open at times. They shouldn't forget that back in the day we were the major exponents of 10 man rugby and at one time Wales led the way with running rugby. Perhaps their fans should ask why they persist with anti-rugby when they should be capable of much more?

    Anti-rugby? What a load of rubbish. Ten-man rugby is a perfectly valid style of rugby.

    Agree, there are many ways to win a rugby game. I'd be perfectly happy for the All Blacks to play 10 man rugby if it resulted in success.

    But I'm happy that we are a little more progressive than that

    Is that a George Bridge reference?

    No. Why?

    Because we're being progressive with our left winger.

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    Boom tish



  • this was the best clip from that vid
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    "Duane clears legally" - from the side with a no-arms shoulder to the neck πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚



  • It really does reveal the 'narrative' is irrelevant to what actually happens on the pitch. Divorced from reality.

    In a game in which:

    • Mapimpi avoided yellow card for a Professional Foul
    • PSDT interfered in a 5 on 0 overlap in an offside position and then intercepted - from which Saf eventually score try (14 point turnaround )
    • Savea was head high tackled by Etzebeth (unpunished)
    • Savea was head high tackled by PSDT (unpunished)
    • plus add your own minor everyday quibbles here .... that your own one eye spots. E.g. a Malherbe bind or 2, a minor Faf head high on Beauden , an Etzebeth neck roll, a Faf shepherd on Bridge to allow Kolbe nearly try, horseshit lineout penalty against whitelock, harsh rolling away penalty on Laulala milked.... etc - are on my list.

    People are making videos about AB ref bias. Unbelievable! After this game ?!?!?

    Pick your battles better, like a game where NZ actually did get the rub of the green.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Whose up for a laugh ... ?

    Wow.

    I'd give that about 5 correct about 10 wrong.

    Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.

    Only correct ones were 2 of the knockons, couple of side entries, plus the Vermeulen penalty. Although while focusing on red herring of Moody he ignored Ardie ending up being at the wrong side of that disintegrating maul for the rip.



  • @Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.

    Good spot. Gets a "proper" bind at the engage then moves to armpit to pull Moody down.





  • I for one am mightily relieved that the status quo has returned, and we once again have the refs in our pockets. These recent red cards and even penalty counts were starting to give me the jitters, i hate a level playing field



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I for one am mightily relieved that the status quo has returned, and we once again have the refs in our pockets. These recent red cards and even penalty counts were starting to give me the jitters, i hate a level playing field

    The ultimate masterstroke is installing IRB headquarters in Dublin, giving it the illusion that the game is being run by the Nothern Unions



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    The ultimate masterstroke is installing IRB headquarters in Dublin

    It is the rugby whinge capital still I think?

    Although with that video it might have moved south somewhere.



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I for one am mightily relieved that the status quo has returned, and we once again have the refs in our pockets. These recent red cards and even penalty counts were starting to give me the jitters, i hate a level playing field

    They've always been in our pockets we just let them have the odd win to get their hopes up .



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I for one am mightily relieved that the status quo has returned, and we once again have the refs in our pockets. These recent red cards and even penalty counts were starting to give me the jitters, i hate a level playing field

    Paddy O’Brien’s legacy lives on.



  • @KiwiPie so why is it a penalty then. That's pretty simple if it's a penalty it's a card. And please looking for micro release in the slow Mo is not release. In real time the 11 clearly didn't release



  • @Yeetyaah said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @MajorRage LMAO imagine blaming the ref when De Klerk was throwing the game for his side for most of the match with useless and aimless box kicks. To be fair, Moody didn't have his best night in the scrum. Silly video.

    Agreed. Most interesting thing is that when Garcies stood and specifically observed Moody-Malherbe (on far side from camera) he penalised Boks.



  • @Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Whose up for a laugh ... ?

    Wow.

    I'd give that about 5 correct about 10 wrong.

    Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.

    Only correct ones were 2 of the knockons, couple of side entries, plus the Vermeulen penalty. Although while focusing on red herring of Moody he ignored Ardie ending up being at the wrong side of that disintegrating maul for the rip.

    The Marx clean should not be repeated.



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @dogmeat said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Could get quite messy for anyone astern on a lee tack though

    those aren't even real words!

    Andy Haden after John McEldowney indulged the night before on pasta and Italian red?



  • @Tim Here are all Canon's short RWC action clips, stitched together to give on-field & aerial viewing angles. choose the res. https://global.canon/en/event/rwc2019/special/viewpoint.html



  • @zephyr Cheers!



  • @Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.

    Thanks for pointing that out - I borrowed it to comment at the source! πŸ™‚



  • @Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    It really does reveal the 'narrative' is irrelevant to what actually happens on the pitch. Divorced from reality.

    In a game in which:

    • Mapimpi avoided yellow card for a Professional Foul
    • PSDT interfered in a 5 on 0 overlap in an offside position and then intercepted - from which Saf eventually score try (14 point turnaround )
    • Savea was head high tackled by Etzebeth (unpunished)
    • Savea was head high tackled by PSDT (unpunished)
    • plus add your own minor everyday quibbles here .... that your own one eye spots. E.g. a Malherbe bind or 2, a minor Faf head high on Beauden , an Etzebeth neck roll, a Faf shepherd on Bridge to allow Kolbe nearly try, horseshit lineout penalty against whitelock, harsh rolling away penalty on Laulala milked.... etc - are on my list.

    People are making videos about AB ref bias. Unbelievable! After this game ?!?!?

    Pick your battles better, like a game where NZ actually did get the rub of the green.

    Something about the South African psyche goes hand in hand with the kind of bitterness that goes into making one of these vids. We kiwis can't be arsed even when we lose to a dodgy ref, we just have a quick whinge then move on with our lives.



  • @mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    It really does reveal the 'narrative' is irrelevant to what actually happens on the pitch. Divorced from reality.

    In a game in which:

    • Mapimpi avoided yellow card for a Professional Foul
    • PSDT interfered in a 5 on 0 overlap in an offside position and then intercepted - from which Saf eventually score try (14 point turnaround )
    • Savea was head high tackled by Etzebeth (unpunished)
    • Savea was head high tackled by PSDT (unpunished)
    • plus add your own minor everyday quibbles here .... that your own one eye spots. E.g. a Malherbe bind or 2, a minor Faf head high on Beauden , an Etzebeth neck roll, a Faf shepherd on Bridge to allow Kolbe nearly try, horseshit lineout penalty against whitelock, harsh rolling away penalty on Laulala milked.... etc - are on my list.

    People are making videos about AB ref bias. Unbelievable! After this game ?!?!?

    Pick your battles better, like a game where NZ actually did get the rub of the green.

    Something about the South African psyche goes hand in hand with the kind of bitterness that goes into making one of these vids. We kiwis can't be arsed even when we lose to a dodgy ref, we just have a quick whinge then move on with our lives.

    Ever heard of this Pommy ref Barnes?

    Or this Irish dude that could have died?



  • @dogmeat all relative bro, quick when comparing with movement of a glacier...



  • @mofitzy_ Not sure all SAFFA rugby fans are like this.... A bit of a dickish generalisation about a great rugby nation and it's people actually if I'm being honest



  • @dogmeat
    TouchΓ©, maybe we just don't have the work ethic of the jaapies.πŸ˜‚



  • @Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @mofitzy_ Not sure all SAFFA rugby fans are like this.... A bit of a dickish generalisation about a great rugby nation and it's people actually if I'm being honest

    Fair enough. But if we are being honest, there is a reason why that Spitting Image song was made.



  • I think the first 3 scrums show a pretty clear PK.

    To the AB's.

    The Bok prop alters his bind to Moody's arm and then exerts downward pressure. He had an excellent long bind, and then in each case he released and went onto Moody's elbow. Of course Moody's elbow went down to the ground, it had nowhere else to go. I suspect Garces saw the elbow on the ground, was not sure which team was infringing and so with the ball at the back he just played on.

    The 2 scrums cited where SA got on top and the video make claimed a PK were ridiculous. The AB's went backwards but did not infringe. They did very well to get the ball out of the scrum asap to avoid a PK.

    Both knockons were very marginal and should have been let go - I thought so at the time. I also thought the A Smith one might have been a knockon, though probably it was . To be consistent, having called the other two, Garces probably should called the A Smith one.

    The in the side offences aren't really comparable. It's apples to oranges.

    The first SA one shows the Bok player coming in from the side and going right onto the ball (he also went straight onto his hands as well, but that is by the by). Had he been allowed to profit from his in the side, his team would have probably won the ball. The other examples are very different.

    The Moody one was in the side, but it was to clear out a player who was already ineffective and the ball won. I can easily see a ref just waving that on. Marginal shoulder charge that happens in just about every ruck. Not great, but hardly worth worrying about.

    The Coles one certainly looks bad (and was very material because it cleared out a player on the ball) but probably wasn't in the side. He get's one foot behind the last part of the tackle before making contact with the tackle. That is enough in my view to not be in the side.

    I haven't gone through the game on slow motion, but I refuse to believe that only the AB's were coming in the side to clear out like that. In fact, if they were the only team doing it, that could be seen as an indictment on the Boks for not reading the situation properly.

    Notably not shown are:

    • The first PK the Boks got, in which the jackler clearly went off his feet and played the ball;

    • The dubious lineout PK against Whitelock, which should have been a Free Kick To NZ (not bringing the jumper down safely);

    • The non YC given when 5m from the line;

    • The 3-4 high tackles from the Boks that were not picked up.

    So the video is a bit of right, a bit of wrong, but mainly just a lot of yawn. Anyone with enough time, and an axe to grind can make a video like this after every test match showing "grievances".

    Frankly I wonder if the video might have been made by a fan from another country to troll the South African fans a little bit.



  • I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.

    That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.



  • @antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.

    That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.

    You are so magnanimous when we win

    I love a good stereotype



  • Gets tiring when they comment everywhere including official AB, RWC, and WR pages though. Even if it's a vocal minority, they are really vocal.



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.

    That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.

    You are so magnanimous when we win

    I love a good stereotype

    I'm a great bloke. Modest too.



  • @mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Gets tiring when they comment everywhere including official AB, RWC, and WR pages though. Even if it's a vocal minority, they are really vocal.

    The quiet Australians aren’t doing it.



  • @antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.

    That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.

    I will though. Can I huh? Can I? Can I?



  • Finally watched it. I'm less confident now than when I actually only knew the result. I actually think the South Africans have been the better side. I think their forwards beat us, and they created more on attack. We had 7 good minutes and fuck all else.

    Great tries though, both rippers created from fuck all. But for the rest of the game the ABs couldn't do much against that outside in defense.

    The South Africans should take the lesson that they look better with a bit of width on the game, and feed their outsides.

    I need to say, for all I call the Irish boring, 33 minutes of the first half was turgid trench warfare rugby of the worst kind. The opening of the 2nd half where the saffers cut us up was the best bit of the whole game.

    Still, the ability to settle and kill the game was a pretty good positive.



  • If they can throw a better forward pack at us and create more on attack, and still lose by 10 points, I would say they were nullified pretty well.



  • @mariner4life We had to withstand the Saffas initial assault, they tried everything and rarely found a way through. They made so little headway, and their primary strike weapon was the box kick. We toiled away, trying to break through their line and admittedly some of it looked crazy and unstructured, but we lit them up for about the final ten minutes and Bridge finished a brilliant move. After subs at half time (including the ridiculous Sam Cane incident) we lost impetus, but when it looked like SA could pull past us we shut them out. That 10 point margin flattered them IMHO, if you take into account the dead cert YC that wasn't given when we were metres from the try line and the PSDT intercept from an offside position; we should have been up at least another 7 to 10 points or more. We were far from perfect (and don't need or want to be at this stage) but struck a body blow and psychological hit to one of our biggest threats in the tourney. Job well done I say



  • @zephyr said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @Tim Here are all Canon's short RWC action clips, stitched together to give on-field & aerial viewing angles. choose the res. https://global.canon/en/event/rwc2019/special/viewpoint.html

    Interesting watching the S Barret try, the SA 10 put on a great hit against the chasing bok, who may have caught Barret, probably not, but still a great assist. Didn't see any arms in it, should have been a YC.



  • Inclined to agree with both of you.

    Although all of this "See you in the final" stuff is rather silly. If things go as they are scheduled to, we first have to get past Scotland (funnier things have happened in World Cups) & then we'll have to beat an Eddie Jones coached England in the semi. That man is a world cup mastermind, and that game will be almost impossible to call.

    SA are due to face the Irish in the QF. At this point in time ,I'd say the chances of an SA NZ final are < 10%.



  • @MajorRage
    England? Could just as easily be France (or possibly even Argentina?)

    Agree with the post sentiment though.



  • @mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    @MajorRage
    England? Could just as easily be France (or possibly even Argentina?)

    Agree with the post sentiment though.

    I’m lay down Misere England will be in that SF.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool 😎:

    Inclined to agree with both of you.

    Although all of this "See you in the final" stuff is rather silly. If things go as they are scheduled to, we first have to get past Scotland (funnier things have happened in World Cups) & then we'll have to beat an Eddie Jones coached England in the semi. That man is a world cup mastermind, and that game will be almost impossible to call.

    SA are due to face the Irish in the QF. At this point in time ,I'd say the chances of an SA NZ final are < 10%.

    We are not losing to Scotland. They were diabolical vs Ireland. Just as they have been awful all year. Scotland will do well just to get into a quarter final.



  • @MajorRage firstly, my fellow Jarpie fans need to quit the bloody whinging. As I’ve said before, good teams embrace and overcome the vagaries of the weather, bounce of the odd shaped ball and French refs.

    Secondly, the boks didn’t stress areas where there was lots of space and they have the upper hand. I was losing it because we didn’t drive round the ruck or run off nine or Pollard’s shoulder.

    Third, the biggest difference between the sides was the loosies. Ardie and Cane and to a lesser extent, Read, simply outplayed their opposites. I haven’t managed to watch the footage but live I hardly noticed Kolisi.


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