Tasman 2020



  • @Chris-B You guys have more then enough stars, you guys are turning into the Manchester City of ITM Cup πŸ˜‚



  • @mikey07 said in Highlanders 2020:

    @Chris-B You guys have more then enough stars, you guys are turning into the Manchester City of ITM Cup πŸ˜‚

    Eh?

    Those feckers won feck all in 2019! πŸ™‚

    But, if you mean they've signed and developed a lot of young players (unwanted by their own associations) into a formidable team, then you're right!!!



  • @Chris-B said in Highlanders 2020:

    @mikey07 said in Highlanders 2020:

    @Chris-B You guys have more then enough stars, you guys are turning into the Manchester City of ITM Cup πŸ˜‚

    Eh?

    Those feckers won feck all in 2019! πŸ™‚

    But, if you mean they've signed and developed a lot of young players (unwanted by their own associations) into a formidable team, then you're right!!!

    in Conjuction with the Crusaders strong relationship between the Crusaders and their provinces within the Region.



  • @Chris Only to a pretty limited extent.

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    Here's the team that played last year's final.

    Who would you attribute primarily to the strong Crusaders'relationship? Maybe Will Jordan. Taufua at a stretch, but he left for a few seasons at Counties and then came back.

    I think the only guys in this team that didn't make their NZ first class debuts for Tasman were Sione Havili and Mitch Hunt and Mitch is one of ours. There's a few others that came from Heartland rugby, I'm not sure if that's still regarded as 1st class rugby.



  • @Chris-B said in Highlanders 2020:

    @Chris Only to a pretty limited extent.

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    Here's the team that played last year's final.

    Who would you attribute primarily to the strong Crusaders'relationship? Maybe Will Jordan. Taufua at a stretch, but he left for a few seasons at Counties and then came back.

    I think the only guys in this team that didn't make their NZ first class debuts for Tasman were Sione Havili and Mitch Hunt and Mitch is one of ours. There's a few others that came from Heartland rugby, I'm not sure if that's still regarded as 1st class rugby.

    I would put Shannon Fizzell in that category he was going to be a Crusader and was placed at Tasman to fit in the salary cap then it all went to shit when his agent pushed him to the Highlanders for more game time.

    Will Jordan for sure Canterbury couldn't give him game time and the Crusaders wanted to get him game time.

    Finlay Christie originally at Canterbury moved to Tasman

    There is a couple in the Tasman Academy who were placed there to fit into the system The young First Five from Australia being one.

    The Crusaders Academy set up in Tasman has gone along way to developing the Tasman players again Crusaders controlled.

    So I believe the Crusaders have gone a long way into developing Tasman.



  • @Chris I don't count Finlay Christie, at all. He was signed from ChCh club rugby with - as far as I know - zero indication he was on the Crusaders radar.

    Frizell? Not aware of the ins and outs of his contract, but Tasman signed him in 2016 and he went to the Highlanders in 2018, not via the Crusaders. He didn't play in this game in any case.

    Yes - for sure - the Crusaders Academy has helped develop Tasman players - in the same way they've helped develop Canterbury players.



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  • @mariner4life That annual Deloitte's report should be out any day now! πŸ™‚



  • Speaking of "locals" is Anton Segner a chance to make the Tasman squad? Or too soon?



  • @Bovidae Good question - I'd forgotten about him.

    I'm pretty sure he's signed with the Mako, but no idea if he's likely to play for the senior team.



  • @Bovidae said in Tasman 2020:

    Speaking of "locals" is Anton Segner a chance to make the Tasman squad? Or too soon?

    He is firmly on the Crusaders radar so he can’t be far away from playing Mitre10



  • @Chris-B said in Tasman 2020:

    @Chris I don't count Finlay Christie, at all. He was signed from ChCh club rugby with - as far as I know - zero indication he was on the Crusaders radar.

    Frizell? Not aware of the ins and outs of his contract, but Tasman signed him in 2016 and he went to the Highlanders in 2018, not via the Crusaders. He didn't play in this game in any case.

    Yes - for sure - the Crusaders Academy has helped develop Tasman players - in the same way they've helped develop Canterbury players.

    In any case whatever makes the Crusaders strong and keeps them that way works for me .



  • https://www.tasmanrugby.co.nz/news/ceo-chat-with-tony-lewis100

    For various names that might pop up in the Tasman squad, this round-up from Tony Lewis might be helpful.

    Interesting what he starts out saying about Tasman vs Wellington clubs! πŸ™‚



  • @Chris-B I would love to see the scores of those games aswell as personal playing I take what he says about dominating Wellington teams with a grain of salt.



  • @Chris-B said in Tasman 2020:

    @mikey07 said in Highlanders 2020:

    @Chris-B You guys have more then enough stars, you guys are turning into the Manchester City of ITM Cup πŸ˜‚

    Eh?

    Those feckers won feck all in 2019! πŸ™‚

    But, if you mean they've signed and developed a lot of young players (unwanted by their own associations) into a formidable team, then you're right!!!

    But you won the ITM Cup in 2019😏



  • I think that we should discuss the Ranfurly Shield.

    You have won nothing until you have held that.



  • @Snowy said in Tasman 2020:

    I think that we should discuss the Ranfurly Shield.

    You have won nothing until you have held that.

    That would be the trophy for which Canterbury B bravely repelled North Otago's challenge 71-7 today? πŸ™‚

    Let's talk instead about which teams have been National Provincial Champions since Tasman's formation in 2006?

    Or the long succession of teams that have been too frit to give us a challenge!



  • @Chris-B said in Tasman 2020:

    @Snowy said in Tasman 2020:

    I think that we should discuss the Ranfurly Shield.

    You have won nothing until you have held that.

    That would be the trophy for which Canterbury B bravely repelled North Otago's challenge 71-7 today? πŸ™‚

    Let's talk instead about which teams have been National Provincial Champions since Tasman's formation in 2006?

    Or the long succession of teams that have been too frit to give us a challenge!

    Hm. Burley works. Even got the targeted species.

    What is frit?

    We could talk about the years before you had to merge two teams to make one good one. I am encouraging Australia to do that too.



  • Frit - a derogatory term for "frightened"!

    It is admirable that someone is still fighting the guerilla fight of a lost battle! πŸ™‚



  • @Chris-B said in Tasman 2020:

    Frit - a derogatory term for "frightened"!

    It is admirable that someone is still fighting the guerilla fight of a lost battle! πŸ™‚

    I don't think AKL would be frit of taking you guys on at the moment. Unfortunately we don't have the shield, but might do at the end of the season...

    Can't believe that I am saying this, but it is time that Tasman had a crack at the shield. They could just buy it of course...



  • @Snowy Of course it is.

    It will be eight years on Tuesday since we had a challenge.

    Waikato has had six challenges in that time. They have been rewarded for regularly being the weakest team in the first division.

    Wellington is coming up to six years without a challenge and Auckland not far from five.



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    Three former Tasman Mako players will return for the campaign – Alex Ainley (92 Mako caps) from Bay of Plenty, Kieron Fonotia (65 caps) from Scarlets in Wales and Quentin MacDonald (78 caps) from Oyonnax in France. They will be joined by former Wanderers club player and Samoan halfback Dwayne Polataivao.
    
    The team fields 20 Super Rugby players including new recruits to the Mako ranks, wingers Sevu Reece (Crusaders) and Mark Talea (Blues) and prop Isileli Tu'ungafasi (Crusaders). Other new additions are Anton Segner (Nelson College flanker), lock Mahonri Ngakuru and flanker Hugh Renton.
    
    25 of the squad have played Club rugby in the region with 10 of those graduating from the region’s Schools system.
    
    There are 6 contracted players who have suffered season ending injuries - Ethan Blackadder (Crusaders), Atu Moli (Chiefs), Pari Pari Parkinson (Highlanders), Ray Nuia (Blues), James Marshall (Hurricanes) and Jack Grooby (Stoke club).
    
    Four club players will train with the squad as potential injury replacements, flanker Braden Stewart (Central), lock Max Hicks (Marist) and prop Kershawl Sykes-Martin (Nelson) and half back Louie Chapman (Kahurangi).
    

    https://www.mako.nz/news/mako-2020-squad-named



  • So 10 of 32 are genuinely local players as in they were schooled in the province? I wonder how that compares with other squads?



  • I get 17 at the least in the Canterbury squad.



  • I see Cameron Suafua, who was on the bench in the preseason game, is not named at all. Strange since they have been trying to lure him down there for a couple of seasons.



  • @Daffy-Jaffy Injured?



  • @Tim He is not named on the injured list on the graphic above.



  • Some pretty serious injury losses - with Parkinson, Blackadder and Moli all gone for the season.

    Interesting to see that James Marshall was apparently planning to return to his roots.

    Big Leicester apparently to be used as a midfielder.

    This team doesn't look quite as good as last year's - and if there is test rugby it will look even weaker with my expectation we will probably lose Reece, Jordan, Frizell and Lomax to the ABs.







  • @Stargazer Was confused for a micro-second about the club called (Jim)...



  • @Stargazer said in Tasman 2020:

    Princep - tighthead prop (Lomax)
    Robinson - fullback (Jordan)
    Tavatavanawai - wing (Reece)
    Parata - first five (Frizell or Strange? πŸ™‚ Christie? Not sure what the plan is here).



  • @Chris-B Maybe they know something we don't know yet? Havili getting a well-deserved call-up?



  • @Stargazer I'll be surprised if Dave isn't one of the 11 extras - apart from that they've already got a heap of people that can play fullback.

    Parata is pretty highly rated, so I'd guess they're taking the opportunity to bring him into the squad and if we need another halfback in due course they'll bring one in. For now we have Polataivao and Chapman.

    Not sure when, or if, Christie will be back. For those who missed it, he had appendicitis.



  • I'm looking forward to seeing Parata in action. Seems like yonks ago we were discussing the merits of the Crusaders supposedly bringing him back from NSW.


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