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  • NTAN Offline
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    Chemical tradeoff though Bartholomew, though the caffeine is a good metaboliser... think I'll just have to sprinkle a bit of lemon juice in there for flavour and chuck in the odd PepsiMax.<br />
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    Was still 115.8kg Tuesday.<br />
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    115.0kg this morning - a small victory but even better considering I had a 400gm rump last night at the local and a leftover piece of fish. I abstained from the chips (salad only) except for a couple off the kids plate (checking the temperature!) and a spoonful of ice cream ( ... uh... ok I have no excuse for that one).<br />
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    Covered a few km walking today as I'm on a training course using public transport for the first time in ages. I forgot how many stone cold foxes ride the train...

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    [quote name='BartMan']is THAT where I first heard it?! Our trainer loves it![/QUOTE]<br />
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    [url]http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/showthread.php?p=179795[/url]<br />
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    <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • NTAN Offline
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    114.7kg this morning. That walking clearly helped, plus I turned down a chocolate cupcake at home last night, much to the disappointment of the cook (try explaining diet to your 3yo daughter!)<br />
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    Today is a bit of a crunch day. I work 6am-3pm in order to pick up Little Aussie #1 from school, so the body clock is a little out of whack and the cravings will no doubt rear their ugly heads...

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  • NTAN Offline
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    114.0kg even this morning which is kind of astounding, but thanks to chance encounters like the beef salad they had at work, pretty easy to do.<br />
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    Have realised that I'm taking a fair bit of protein on board and my diet is almost Atkins-like. Can't give up milk though I've cut down a bit...<br />
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    I know this initial weight loss is the easiest bit, but at this point I haven't engaged in any serious exercise. When that occurs, the appetite will ramp back up and I'll have to clamp down on the eating even harder.

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    I'd really recommend you not get to concerned about weighing yourself daily, or at least tracking it daily. Grab the value fore sure, and put it in a spreadsheet and then track what you weight each Monday and graph that. It will show the trend better, and you won't disheartened by normal fluctuations that you'll see from day to day.<br />
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    I think it was Mooshld that put me on to trending even more than that, and has a good formula that smooths it out even more (taking into account the previous ten days I think), so you know that you just have to keep under the trend, not a specific weight to keep on track.

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    It isn't so much being paranoid about fluctuations, but more looking at how the weight is tracking in the short term to make sure the diet is right. I'm aiming for <8000kj per day as a lifestyle change and that should deliver results

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    [quote name='Kirwan']I'd really recommend you not get to concerned about weighing yourself daily, or at least tracking it daily. Grab the value fore sure, and put it in a spreadsheet and then track what you weight each Monday and graph that. It will show the trend better, and you won't disheartened by normal fluctuations that you'll see from day to day.<br />
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    I think it was Mooshld that put me on to trending even more than that, and has a good formula that smooths it out even more (taking into account the previous ten days I think), so you know that you just have to keep under the trend, not a specific weight to keep on track.[/QUOTE]<br />
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    Yeah it was me because day weights don't mean a thing, the only thing you lose a kilo of in a day is fluid. Sorry to tell you.<br />
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    Weigh yourself record it and tack it using either the physics diet or hackers diet websites or libra a free android app ( I am sure an apple one exists as well), then you can see your trend, after 10 days it will also show you your average calorie defeict which is useful to know. As long as your daily weight is under your trend line you are heading in the right direction, if its not eat less.<br />
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    Check out my old fat busting thread to see the kind of graphs that hackers diet produces you can then save them off and attach them to your posts. If you write down all your weights during the week it takes 20 seconds to enter them in the computer. Or if like me you work on computers do it every day when you get in the office.

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    [quote name='NTA']It isn't so much being paranoid about fluctuations, but more looking at how the weight is tracking in the short term to make sure the diet is right. I'm aiming for <8000kj per day as a lifestyle change and that should deliver results[/QUOTE]<br />
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    Then tracking it is perfect for you as it will show you how close you are to your kj goal as well as show you it moving.<br />
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    A day result is not short term tracking its a point in time. Its like trying to determine the value of a stock by looking at it opening price.<br />
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    Also tracking doesn't stop when you reach your goal weight. I track myself now every day to make sure I am keeping in my range, if my trend goes above half a kilo of my desired weight I have a good week and get it back down, same if I go under by .5 I try and eat a bit more the next week to get back to my goal. Have been doing this for nearly 4 years and it has got me from 106 to 78.5 where I have stayed with some minor fluctuations until last month when I decided to drop another 3.5 kg and get down to 75, which I will acheive towards the end of this month. Yeah I get strange looks from people when I come to stay and whip out my scales that I take everywhere with me, but so what I can now maintain the weight I want. No guess work required.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    That is pretty much it mooshld - I just want to be able to do this sort of thing without thinking, but it takes a bit of educating myself in the first place. It is partially willpower but it is just that I like food, and I have to teach myself when is enough, and then learn to live by that. As all the dieticians (who are serious about their work) say: it isn't just about dieting down to a weight and then going back to normal; it is a lifestyle change.<br />
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    Bit of a pizza binge last night <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Friday treat you could call it. Not unexpectedly, back to 115.0kg this morning, but it has been a good demonstration of the effects of too much food. On the plus side, it means there are no leftovers for me to consume today, so I can clean that slate and start again.<br />
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    Went back to the chiro and she's impressed with the back recovery, but to be honest I'm not going back to start running again just yet to let it heal fully. Depending on the weather today I might put in a 5km walk or go for a ride for the first time in ages. Otherwise if it closes in I'll start back on the body weights routine.

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    Mooshld's advice about how to track it really helped motivation-wise for when I dropped the first 8kgs. It's easy to get disheartened if you have a daily track system and have an increase. Whereas if you are tracking the trend, you can ignore normal fluctuations as long as the trend is right.<br />
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    Really helps get your head in the right space, and it's the same amount of effort to record as what you are doing now. It's just displaying the results in a different way.<br />
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    As for the Pizza, have a treat day once a week and eat whatever you like. I don't even think about it anymore, just have carved out a new way to eat and I don't consciously think about it anymore.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    113.6kg this morning. Combination of diet and casual exercise (taking the stairs at work, going for the odd walk after lunch) seems to be doing it. No major fatigue at this point despite hving to do some early starts for work.

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    it's the little things that start the weight loss too I reckon NTA, you're doing it right. I remember back to the mid teen 100s weights! That's when i first though 'fuck, I'm getting FAT'. And little steps - literally, I used to be a two pies and a breadroll for lunch kinds of guy. So reduced it to one pie, and then just the bread roll and a sausage roll thing etc. just slowy reduced portion sizes, and with that my size too!!<br />
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    baby steps, and as K says, it's a lifestyle change. Get your hands on the body for life book - commercial as hell, but good guidelines for the food and eating. The rest is bullshit!

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  • NTAN Offline
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    And its funny, because once I started ignoring everything on the packaging except for the kilojoules figure, it became a damn sight easier.<br />
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    Example: over here they sell those NZ-made Oaty Slices (can't remember the company). 40g = 657kj or thereabouts, most of which is obviously carb-related, but there is a fair whack of plant fats in there surprisingly.<br />
    Look at a 40g pack of chicken slices, and it is 210kj.<br />
    Look at a 40g pack of salami, and you're talking close to 1000kj.<br />
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    I love all three but when it comes down to the mood I'm in right now, it is a pretty easy choice. No more trading off protein for carbs or fat, its just a simple equation of energy out versus energy in as others have stated.<br />
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    113.3kg this morning.<br />
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    Little Aussie's school concert venue last night had a cafe with few eating options. Took the chilli chicken wrap and only ate about half of it, with a bottle of water. In times past I would have gone the burger n chips with a coke. Mother-in-law did exactly that (water instead of coke), eating one or two chips then passing the cup to me like it was the most generous thing she's ever done. I pushed it back. The funny thing is she's trying to lose weight via Lite n Easy (that preplanned diet thing) and hasn't shifted an inch.<br />
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    I think I'm now officially at my lightest since meeting my wife. At my wedding I must have been pushing 130kg judging by the video and the fact I can't remember getting a scale reading during that time (because our scales were only accurate below 120)<br />
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    Won't be updating for a few days as I'm about to go camping out in the Blue Mountains area west of Sydney. Won't be many carbs going around there I must say, but there will be a shedload of protein (bacon, eggs, steak, etc). Might have to buy a few wheat bars to keep pushing it all through <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Will get in some bushwalking while I'm there to help burn a few more off.<br />
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    GO THE WALLABIES!

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    Camping trip over. Weighed in at 114.3kg this morning which was a good effort considering the amount of bacon n eggs I ate! Covered about 20km bushwalking on the Saturday which helped.<br />
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    Got down to about zero overnight where we were, judging by the frost on my brother's swag, but a well-prepared campsite is a beautiful thing.<br />
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    Can't wait to get back to the great outdoors. Might do an overnight hike now the weather is warming up.

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    113.4kg today.<br />
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    Noticed I'm halfway to the next belt notch and the work pants are getting noticeably baggy. Same as the suit I bought in November last year. I usually buy a size up on what I need anyway, for comfort, but I think I'll need the tailor before too long.<br />
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    Time to start getting the exercise component into gear on a regular basis, now the weather is warming up. I'm up to four chins just by cracking a few out every time I'm in the garage but want to get to 5 by end of next week.

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    Was absolutely starving about 9pm, so fried myself 3 eggs (in a tbsp butter). It tasted fkn great - really hit the spot.<br />
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    112.9kg this morning. Through the barrier!<br />
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    Undecided whether to have treat day today or wait until Father's Day this Sunday...

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    Touch footy at lunch with some work blokes. Not too strenuous (back is still a little tight) but fun and all contributes to the burn.

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    112.8kg this morning.<br />
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    Just demolished 2 good sized t-bones for lunch. Life is good.

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    Today shall be my diet rest day according to the amount of food I just scoffed. Headed out to get a massage to help with the back spasms, and fuck it hurt!<br />
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    Got home and was fairly starving, so after the tbones, got into the rye bread and some choc chip bikkies with milk. Then a protein shake.<br />
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    Parked on the couch for an afternoon of sport. Aaaaaah...

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    Back has some deep bruising right now - those Chinese massage dudes take no prisoners.<br />
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    Well, diet rest day (which will henceforth be referred to as DDO - Diet Day Off) surely did its trick: 114.9kg this morning! <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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    Was reading why the DDO is so effective in a few journals. The obvious one being you can have a day without stressing over food. The second one which makes sense I guess is to make sure your metabolism doesn't slow down too much. Never really thought about it like that. And I suppose, in theory, having a binge one day per week will not adversely affect the weight loss plan. Just like dieting one day per week wouldn't positively impact a weight loss plan...<br />
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    Since then I've taken a massive dump and will head out for a 5km walk shortly to get back into the burn so tomorrow am expecting to be back around 113.5kg<br />
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    Got to work on getting those 5 chinups bashed out too. Getting to 4 is effort but I reckon I can do 5. I use a 2-inch bar so it is also doing some wicked work on the forearms, but bloody hard to maintain grip.

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