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  • StargazerS Offline
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    FYI to see where that sits in the rugby calendar:

    Sat 6 July: Super Rugby Final
    Sun 21 July: 1st ABs test match v Argentina (in Buenos Aires)
    Thu 8 Aug: start of Mitre 10 cup

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    Looking at the 2018 squad there will need to be a few new faces.

    Ash Dixon
    Robbie Abel (Liam Polwart)
    Ross Wright??
    Marcel Renata
    Ben May
    Chris Eves
    Tyrell Lomax --> possibly ABs
    Pari Pari Parkinson
    Isaia Walker-Leawere
    Jackson Hemopo --> ABs (Tom Franklin)
    Hoani Matenga??
    Billy Harmon??
    Mitchell Karpik (if fit)
    Reed Prinsep
    Akira Ioane --> ABs (Whetu Douglas)

    Also have Elliot Dixon and Jesse Parete available.

    Brad Weber --> ABs (replaced by Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi)
    Bryn Hall
    Jonathan Ruru
    Josh Ioane --> ABs (MMac 🤣 )
    Otere Black
    Matt Proctor
    Rob Thompson
    Teihorangi Walden
    Jonah Lowe
    Regan Ware
    Matthew Lansdown
    Nehe Milner-Skudder?? (Sean Wainui)
    Shaun Stevenson

    Not sure about Nock and if Perofeta is fit again.

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    I've written a blog post about the upcoming Māori All Blacks games against Fiji.

    If you can't find a player in my picks, please, check first in the paragraph "CAPPED PLAYERS (2012-2018), WHO ARE (PROBABLY) NOT/NO LONGER AVAILABLE".

    Obviously, I don't have the latest injury updates, but I've tried my best to find all the info. I've also assumed that players who didn't play rugby in NZ during the first half of the 2019 season, are probably not eligible (Abel, Manihera).

    I may also not always be certain about whether a player is Māori (I don't think Perofeta is though).

    We'll hopefully find out tomorrow night whether my picks are close to the actual team being named.

    Blog post:
    https://www.thesilverfern.com/post/340652-maori-all-blacks-to-play-fiji

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    Any chance the player list from the blog post can be included in this thread.

    I’ve noticed one issue - you’ve stated
    If things really turn to custard: Heiden Bedwell-Curtis

    However you’ve already chosen Prinseep which means we’re well into custard stage!

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    @Nepia I really don't understand what people have against Prinsep. He may not be the best loosie around, but he's also not as bad as people seem to suggest. Not a race horse, but still a useful work horse. I'd only select HB-C if there are many players unavailable; he's hardly played SR and instead played some club rugby in Taranaki.

    I could copy and paste the player list, but then you take it out of context. It's included in a blog post for a reason and if I just paste the list here, nobody will look at the blog post anymore (which includes info about availability (or not) of a lot of other players).

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    @Stargazer Liam Polwart has played for the Maori previously (2017) so I would expect him to be selected if he is over his concussion symptoms.

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    @Bovidae

    I refer to what I said in a previous post.

    @Stargazer said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    If you can't find a player in my picks, please, check first in the paragraph "CAPPED PLAYERS (2012-2018), WHO ARE (PROBABLY) NOT/NO LONGER AVAILABLE".

    Obviously, I don't have the latest injury updates, but I've tried my best to find all the info. I've also assumed that players who didn't play rugby in NZ during the first half of the 2019 season, are probably not eligible (Abel, Manihera).

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    @Stargazer said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    @Bovidae

    I refer to what I said in a previous post.

    I read that. Polwart's concussion is a recent problem as he didn't play after the Blues game in Auckland (mid-May).

    The reserve Maori hooker hardly plays any minutes behind Dixon anyway. 🙂

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    @Bovidae If he's still concussed, he won't play. It's that simple. Number of minutes to be played is irrelevant.
    I couldn't find any info that suggests he has recovered from that concussion (like playing club rugby last weekend). Obviously, if he's named tomorrow, he will be.

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    @Stargazer I don't see what you and obviously Plumtree see and not sure how he burgled a super contract.

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    @Nepia Don't get me wrong. I'm happy for Devan Flanders to take his Canes' spot, once he's ready .. :smiling_face_with_open_mouth:

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    The Māori All Blacks squad will be named tomorrow (Wednesday).

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    Māori All Blacks squad

    Forwards

    Hookers:
    Ash Dixon (Ngati Tahinga) Hawke's Bay / Highlanders
    Nathan Harris (Ngati Apakura /Tainui) Waikato / Chiefs

    Props:
    Tyrel Lomax (Ngai Tuhoe/Muaupoko) Ta$man / Highlanders
    Ben May (Ngati Maniapoto) Hawke's Bay / Hurricanes
    Marcel Renata (Ngati Whanaunga/Ngai Takoto) Auckland/ Blues
    Ross Wright (Ngati Whatua/Ngati Porou) Northland / Blues

    Locks:
    Tom Franklin (Ngati Maniapoto) Otago / Highlanders
    Pari Pari Parkinson (Te Whanau a Apanui) Ta$man / Highlanders
    Isaia Walker-Leawere (Ngati Porou) Hawkes Bay / Hurricanes

    Loose Forwards
    Whetukamokamo Douglas (Ngati Porou/Ngati Whakaue) Canterbury / Crusaders
    Elliot Dixon (Ngapuhi) Southland/ Highlanders
    Akira Ioane (Ngapuhi/Te Whanau a Apanui) Auckland / Blues
    Mitchell Karpik (Rongomaiwahine/Ngati Kahungunu) Bay of Plenty / Chiefs
    Reed Prinsep (Te Rarawa) Canterbury / Hurricanes

    Backs

    Halfbacks:
    Bryn Hall (Ngati Ranginui) North Harbour / Crusaders
    Jonathan Ruru (Ngati Kahungunu/Rongomaiwahine) Auckland / Blues
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (Ngati Pikiao) Taranaki / Chiefs

    First five-eighths:
    Otere Black (Ngai Tuhoe/Te Whanau a Apanui/Ngati Tuwharetoa) Manawatu / Blues
    Jackson Garden-Bachop (Ngati Awa) Wellington / Hurricanes
    Fletcher Smith (Ngati Kahungunu) Waikato / Hurricanes

    Midfielders
    Alex Nankivell (Ngapuhi) Ta$man / Chiefs
    Rob Thompson (Ngati Kahungunu / Nga Rauru) Manawatu / Highlanders
    Teihorangi Walden (Te Atiawa) Taranaki / Highlanders

    Outside backs:
    Jordan Hyland (Ngai Tahu) Northland / Highlanders
    Shaun Stevenson (Ngapuhi) North Harbour / Chiefs
    Sean Wainui (Ngai Tuhoe/Ngati Porou) Taranaki / Chiefs

    “We have named 26 players today, with one more, likely to be a prop, to be added before we travel next week.
    
    “We’re excited to name four new caps in Nathan Harris, Alex Nankivell, Fletcher Smith and Jordan Hyland.
    
    “With six players (Harris, Lomax, Dixon, Ioane, Hall and Tahuriorangi) in our mix with All Blacks experience, we can take a very solid squad to Suva and then on to Rotorua. 
    

    https://www.allblacks.com/News/34357/maori-all-blacks-squad-named-for-two-match-series-against-fiji

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    Proctor not picked at all.

    I assume one of the 1st 5s could be used as a fullback with only 3 outside backs selected.

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    Not a bad team really although surprised to see Hyland over Lowe and surprised to even see Garden-Bachop there. Everyone complains about MMac but he's had better games at Super level than JGB has ever had.

    There's some good loosies in there and Prinseep.

    Also, I guess Aussie Jack is only Cook Island Maori and not NZ Maori - or is going back to Oz.

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    @Nepia guess Hyland got there by virtue of more productive minutes on the park....

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    @Nepia said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    Not a bad team really although surprised to see Hyland over Lowe and surprised to even see Garden-Bachop there. Everyone complains about MMac but he's had better games at Super level than JGB has ever had.

    There's some good loosies in there and Prinseep.

    Also, I guess Aussie Jack is only Cook Island Maori and not NZ Maori - or is going back to Oz.

    From the way he looked on the Canes bench after half time on Saturday, I wonder whether Lowe is injured again?

    Agree about MMac being better than JGB has ever been. Heaps better, I'd say.

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    If Ash Dixon is still the captain I will be interested in how McMillan gives meaningful minutes to Harris. One start each maybe?

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    I'm also keen to find out who are in the NZ Māori U20 squad, but I guess that team will be named later. They can't possibly name a Māori squad from this year's NZ U20 squad or even the players invited to the NZ U20s camps. Will they invite younger players from last year's NZ Schools, NZ Barbarians Schools and NZ Māori U18, or will they be allowed to select youngish players just over 20?

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