Coronavirus - Overall
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman and yet California has been subject to one of the longest and most severe lockdowns yeah?
You've got me on that. I do think they started early, but haven't really heard anything in last few weeks.
I think they're still going, but can't be sure. A mate as of a week ago, who runs a wine tasting tour business to Sonoma Valley, was still unable to operate . May have changed in the last week though
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo mate at Huntington beach was off out to the pub on a bike in the weekend so must be relaxing.
Checked in with my mate overnight, this was the response:
"No - we just got another 2 weeks slapped on in our county (Sonoma) for a slight rise in cases. Wineries are now open for “outdoor dining only” since last week. But the issue is - the “Shelter In Place (SIP)” is still in place for all of California so technically you aren’t supposed to leave your house unless it’s essential. Which is completely fucked and confusing for businesses. We can open but aren’t allowed visitors to the wine country...
On a funny note - the County Sherrif in Sonoma just announced that they’re not going to fine or cite anyone anymore for breaking SIP rules - so even the law enforcement are over it. True story but kinda shocking as to how much of a mess it is here."
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Big thread, but nub is that past coronavirus (e.g. cold) exposure is likely to leave immulogical changes. There seems some evidence that these can attack structures which Covid shares and shut it down. Would mean herd immunity is reached at much less than 60% infection level generally assumed. And would explain why in many places infectivity seems to have plummetted independently of lockdown.
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The States Covid numbers are going to be interesting in a few weeks time. The whole pandemic has become and afterthought for a lot of countries all of a sudden. We're going to find out just how serious it is and whether lockdowns were needed at all.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337051
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
I wouldn't rely on the NZ Herald for any answers to a complex issue like this. But if they didn't protect the vulnerable they are stupid
"Authorities in Sweden, including Tegnell, have been criticised — and have apologised — for failing to protect the country's elderly and nursing home residents"
One key always was to protect the vulnerable (and definitely not sending the sick to nursing homes likes they did in high death states in the US). Having said this was it really necessary to destroy the economy by using heavy handed nanny state tactics like many countries did
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
Perhaps I'm giving you more credit for intelligence than you deserve, perhaps your memory is porous, or you just like posing the same question over and over again? You asked this one a while back, we all had a discussion about it. Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
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@canefan I think he's suggesting no one did. And that with the benefit of hindsight/learning they will know better next time.
But quite difficult to construct much of a case that Sweden's soft lockdown has caused the country significant detriment. Time will tell.
They are also going to get to herd immunity before others, so if there were a second wave in Europe will be much better placed than almost everybody. -
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
Perhaps I'm giving you more credit for intelligence than you deserve, perhaps your memory is porous, or you just like posing the same question over and over again? You asked this one a while back, we all had a discussion about it. Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
Because you made a silly comment in your post. The country to look at is the US and to compare states to get a more meaningful answer (not a TSF answer)