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    Barnes and the Walrus have named their top 10 no.8s. The Walrus writing for his audience again.

    STEPHEN JONES: 1-Wayne (Buck) Shelford (NZ), 2-Sergio Parisse (Italy), 3-Taulupe Faletau (Wales), 4-Lawrence Dallaglio (England), 5-Mervyn Davies (Wales), 6-Duane Vermeulen (South Africa), 7-Kieran Read (NZ), 8-Tim Rodber (England), 9-Billy Vunipola (England) 10 equal: Imanol Harinordoquy (France), Dan Lyle (USA).
    
    STUART BARNES: 1-Read, 2-Zinzan Brooke (NZ), 3-Harinordoquy, 4-Dallaglio, 5-Davies, 6-Parisse, 7-Faletau, 8-Toutai Kefu (Australia), 9-Vermeulen, 10-Dean Richards (England).
    

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/122111187/kieran-read-and-buck-shelford-rated-best-no-8s-in-the-world

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    @Bovidae I don't think Read would make my top 5. Brooke, donkey and Vermuelen way ahead.

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    @Bones Neither Rodber or Vunipola would make my top 10. I am surprised Lochore didn't get a mention for AB no.8s, but there is definitely a bias towards more recent players.

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    @Bovidae

    Where's Brian Lochore on their lists?

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    @Bones Really Vermeulen. He won't even make the Books top 5 no 8

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    @Rebound said in NH International Rugby:

    @Bones Really Vermeulen. He won't even make the Books top 5 no 8

    Do go on...

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    Gary Teichmann

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    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    Gary Teichmann

    Dawson’s bunny. He practically wrote him a cheque as he was buying that dummy.

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    Morné du Plessis

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    @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    Gary Teichmann

    Dawson’s bunny. He practically wrote him a cheque as he was buying that dummy.

    Great play, but hardly consigns Teichmann to the scrap heap.

    It was a No.8 backtracking against a No. 9 after all

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    "However the two parties have now agreed a new deal, which will protect the lowest earners in the Irish game." Minimum potatoes guaranteed.

    Rugby Players Ireland finally agree new pay deal with IRFU after weeks of talks

    Rugby Players Ireland finally agree new pay deal with IRFU after weeks of talks

    Rugby players in Ireland had been on a pay deferral scheme since March, when the coronavirus pandemic saw rugby seasons suspended across the globe.

    To be honest, same with every case of reduced wages in rugby I've seen reports on, a big push by the big names to make sure the Jo average pro doesn't get shafted. Which is good to see

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    @MiketheSnow No, undoubtedly a good player but what do most people remember him for? Unfair but...

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    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    Gary Teichmann

    Dawson’s bunny. He practically wrote him a cheque as he was buying that dummy.

    Great play, but hardly consigns Teichmann to the scrap heap.

    It was a No.8 backtracking against a No. 9 after all

    What were the Saffa Blindside and the Fullback doing?

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    @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow No, undoubtedly a good player but what do most people remember him for? Unfair but...

    Captaining SA to unbeaten Tri Nations season and 17 wins on the bounce in my house.

    He captained the Springboks in 39 tests between 1996 and 1999 with 27 of those (72%) ending in victory.

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    @MiketheSnow was he the captain when SA lost their first series at home?

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    @Bones said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow was he the captain when SA lost their first series at home?

    To whom?

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    @MiketheSnow oops...NZ.

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    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow No, undoubtedly a good player but what do most people remember him for? Unfair but...

    Captaining SA to unbeaten Tri Nations season and 17 wins on the bounce in my house.

    He captained the Springboks in 39 tests between 1996 and 1999 with 27 of those (72%) ending in victory.

    Good achievements but in the wider discussion, having the 7th best test win percentage of Number 8 international captains (minimum tests 10, 5th if the minimum is 15) isn’t exactly a fantastic stat to put him in a world best team.

    From NZ only he trails Shelford (10 matches, 96%), Read (52, 85%) and Lochore (18, 83) for wins as Captain at No. 8.

    He doesn’t even lead for SA no 8s, behind Du Plessis (15, 86%).

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    @gt12 said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

    @MiketheSnow No, undoubtedly a good player but what do most people remember him for? Unfair but...

    Captaining SA to unbeaten Tri Nations season and 17 wins on the bounce in my house.

    He captained the Springboks in 39 tests between 1996 and 1999 with 27 of those (72%) ending in victory.

    Good achievements but in the wider discussion, having the 7th best test win percentage of Number 8 international captains (minimum tests 10, 5th if the minimum is 15) isn’t exactly a fantastic stat to put him in a world best team.

    From NZ only he trails Shelford (10 matches, 96%), Read (52, 85%) and Lochore (18, 83) for wins as Captain at No. 8.

    He doesn’t even lead for SA no 8s, behind Du Plessis (15, 86%).

    That was the point.

    Both Du Plessis and Teichmann better options than Duane.

    Overall, not in with a shout.

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    @MiketheSnow

    You’ll have to forgive me, because from your two word post of Gary Teichmann, and subsequent defense, it wasn’t clear to me that you were refuting the selection of Thor.

    I think I see it now that I actually read the thread. What a fucking hassle.

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