2020 New Zealand U20s
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Totally missed this announcement 11 days ago. I assume they didn't postpone it, instead of cancel it, for financial reasons?
I feel sorry for all the guys that miss out this year and won't be eligible anymore next year.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/oceania-rugby-under-20s-championships-cancelled/
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@Stargazer said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
@Bovidae They've had camps though; they have a group of players to select from.
I thought there was a final camp to be held before the final selection?
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@Bovidae Excellent news.
I know he's already been there, done that, but if Scott Robertson is interested, I hope they get him involved again! Leon MacDonald would be good; Tony Brown and Jason Ryan, too.
Keep someone like Hammett away from those young lads.
I'm not a fan of Jason Holland and Aaron Mauger either, but they wouldn't be a disaster like Philpott.
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MacDonald would be a good choice amongst the SR coaches.
If you look at the overall record of the U20 coaches the results have been getting worse:
Rennie (2008-10, 1st, 1st, 1st)
Anscombe (2011, 1st)
Penney (2012, 2nd)
Boyd (2013-14, 4th, 3rd)
Robertson (2015-16, 1st, 5th)
Philpott (2017-19, 1st, 4th, 7th) -
@Bovidae said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
MacDonald would be a good choice amongst the SR coaches.
If you look at the overall record of the U20 coaches the results have been getting worse:
Rennie (2008-10, 1st, 1st, 1st)
Anscombe (2011, 1st)
Penney (2012, 2nd)
Boyd (2013-14, 4th, 3rd)
Robertson (2015-16, 1st, 5th)
Philpott (2017-19, 1st, 4th, 7th)Ieremia and Tiatia would be worth a look too, have made a massive difference to Auckland and the Blues.
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@Bovidae Not sure you can really say that if you looke at the coaches before Philpott. Boyd never coached a team that became first; Robertson did. Penny and Anscombe only coached them one year; you don't know what would have happened if they'd had another year. Rennie definitely the most successful.
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To be fair, the effort and money put in from other countries has substantially increased over the last few years, not only from Northern Hemisphere teams but also Australia and Fiji who's players are together far longer than ours pre-tournament.
I like the Super Rugby assistants idea, there will definitely be camps during super season and you could justify an assistant leaving for a week but not the head coach. Due to timing I doubt M10 coaches could coach both & in the current environment, it'd take a bit of convincing to leave your job for something that may not eventuate next year. -
@Stargazer said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
@Kirwan Looking at M10 Cup coaches, there are way more options, but I think it would be good to have higher level coaches (SR coaches).
Like who? These two have a great track record now of bringing through younger players.
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@Stargazer Philpott also coached a team that finished first, but the following 2 years have been disappointing with selections and performance.
The loss to Ireland in 2016 under Robertson would have to be one of the worst I've seen. The forwards got completely dominated.
As the article says, it isn't all about Ws and Ls.
“The main driver of our program is the development of future professionals,” Anthony said. “The challenge with that is that with any team in black there’s an expectation to win. “That program would look really different if our total aim was to win a world championship. “You’d pick a team early, you'd probably tour the northern hemisphere, so our players could get exposed to a very different style of play, which they get exposed at tournaments and sometimes struggle with.” -
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@Stargazer said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
@Kirwan Andrew Goodman (also a SR assistant coach) and Clayton McMillan (next year's Chiefs interim coach), for example.
Well in Goodman's case he was coaching the most stacked team in the comp Ta$man and in McMillan's case he already has Chiefs and Maori All Blacks so i'd say his plate is fairly full.
