Coronavirus - Australia
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@act-crusader I guess the counter, is that you'd hope these trigger-happy premiers would have less ground to stand on when trying to impose a lockdown for a case or 2 if half their voters were already vaccinated?
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@voodoo that might be their thinking, but the reality is that every country that has rolled out the vaccine still have cases. Some in great numbers. My main point is that there is no need to be so hung up with rushing the vaccine rollout whilst there are cases out there.
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@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covid in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - โwhatโs different now?โ โWhy didnโt you allow us to stay open last time?โ Sure they will say โhealth adviceโ, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
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@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - โwhatโs different now?โ โWhy didnโt you allow us to stay open last time?โ Sure they will say โhealth adviceโ, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
Yeah, and what's worse , is that their draconian methods have been so unilaterally aupported at the polls. VIC, WA, QLD, NZ, pretty amazing
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - โwhatโs different now?โ โWhy didnโt you allow us to stay open last time?โ Sure they will say โhealth adviceโ, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
Yeah, and what's worse , is that their draconian methods have been so unilaterally aupported at the polls. VIC, WA, QLD, NZ, pretty amazing
"thank you Anna for keeping us safe!"
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so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
Yeah that was great. I leave Thursday week, and I'm pretty confident that if I make that flight, Gladys will let me come back 4 days later.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
Yeah that was great. I leave Thursday week, and I'm pretty confident that if I make that flight, Gladys will let me come back 4 days later.
Gladys will, but if you were a kiwi in Perth, I wouldnโt be optimistic.
I will never forget seeing people lined up being turned away from a testing centre at a hospital in Perth when it still had 2 hours of opening time left.
Internals know that tracing and testing is a massive issue in WA, so it wonโt be allowed to be stressed tested, so the easiest thing to do is lockdown or shut borders.
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@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
Yeah that was great. I leave Thursday week, and I'm pretty confident that if I make that flight, Gladys will let me come back 4 days later.
Gladys will, but if you were a kiwi in Perth, I wouldnโt be optimistic.
I will never forget seeing people lined up being turned away from a testing centre at a hospital in Perth when it still had 2 hours of opening time left.
Internals know that tracing and testing is a massive issue in WA, so it wonโt be allowed to be stressed tested, so the easiest thing to do is lockdown or shut borders.
Agree, WA, VIC, QLD, I'd be more nervous.
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@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
Upvote for self deprecating humour. You do seem to have a shit time of it.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
Upvote for self deprecating humour. You do seem to have a shit time of it.
the fuck do you mean? He fucking got "locked down" at a lakefront property in Queenstown. Some of us were jammed in a house with their in-laws.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
Upvote for self deprecating humour. You do seem to have a shit time of it.
the fuck do you mean? He fucking got "locked down" at a lakefront property in Queenstown. Some of us were jammed in a house with their in-laws.
ha ha, fuck that for a joke!!! How long did you have to do?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
Upvote for self deprecating humour. You do seem to have a shit time of it.
the fuck do you mean? He fucking got "locked down" at a lakefront property in Queenstown. Some of us were jammed in a house with their in-laws.
ha ha, fuck that for a joke!!! How long did you have to do?
they left in September i think it was.
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@mariner4life good lord
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo you have a bad run with Covid stuffing things up for you haven't ya? Not sure why you are confident about getting back in with your luck ๐
Ha, you're probably right!
I probably haven't had it any worse than most, I just whinge more..
Upvote for self deprecating humour. You do seem to have a shit time of it.
the fuck do you mean? He fucking got "locked down" at a lakefront property in Queenstown. Some of us were jammed in a house with their in-laws.
You have my sympathy with the in-laws.
Makes this seem quite tame and we had it easy.
I was also locked down in a lake front property in Queenstown for level 4. We only had to get back to AKL and had flights (that they wouldn't let us change) but it was fucked. Only 3 days but no restaurants, takeaways, basically food. The hotel closed down while we were there and threw everything out (food wise) so no room service. Whatever we could find that could be eaten cold at the supermarket were "meals". Us and one other couple were the sole occupants of the hotel.
It was like The Shining, without the psycho redrum kid fortunately.