All Blacks 2021
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants won games on his own?
Don't be facetious. He was a major factor, same way as Carter, McCaw, etc can be a major factor; and it would be hard to see the victory if another played instead.
Really? I actually would start him at 7 but I don’t think I’ve ever considered a performance of his as on par with DC or McCaw
He's never reached those heights, but doesn't mean he wasn't as influential in a particular game, like the 2018 Boks game I posted
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- Blackadder 7.Savea 8.Ioane might be combo that is worth looking at. Savea provides the experience with Cane out.
Not sure Ioane and Sotutu should be in the same trio together. Especially if they are with Savea. All a bit too similar.
One thing i have found interesting is that Ioane has dropped out of the conversation for 8 a bit. 18 months ago he was mainly seen as an 8 and not really an option at 6.
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@machpants well fucken take it up with Tim! I have no idea why you are having a go at me about it, that's just weird.
And I think saying Ardie single handedly won us games and no one else could ever do that means you're lost in the fog of heart mate.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants well fucken take it up with Tim! I have no idea why you are having a go at me about it, that's just weird.
And I think saying Ardie single handedly won us games and no one else could ever do that means you're lost in the fog of heart mate.
I wasn't having a go at you, I was replying to your post at me saying ABs don't choose teams. Maybe I should've tagged Tim in that reply?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks 2021:
- Blackadder 7.Savea 8.Ioane might be combo that is worth looking at. Savea provides the experience with Cane out.
Not sure Ioane and Sotutu should be in the same trio together. Especially if they are with Savea. All a bit too similar.
One thing i have found interesting is that Ioane has dropped out of the conversation for 8 a bit. 18 months ago he was mainly seen as an 8 and not really an option at 6.
Similar to his brother not being considered at 11 anymore.Rioane and sotutu play together every week so their blind to have a shorthand that could be valuable
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants well fucken take it up with Tim! I have no idea why you are having a go at me about it, that's just weird.
And I think saying Ardie single handedly won us games and no one else could ever do that means you're lost in the fog of heart mate.
I wasn't having a go at you, I was replying to your post at me saying ABs don't choose teams. Maybe I should've tagged Tim in that reply?
Well yeah since it was only a reply to me that might have made sense huh ..
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants well fucken take it up with Tim! I have no idea why you are having a go at me about it, that's just weird.
And I think saying Ardie single handedly won us games and no one else could ever do that means you're lost in the fog of heart mate.
I wasn't having a go at you, I was replying to your post at me saying ABs don't choose teams. Maybe I should've tagged Tim in that reply?
Well yeah since it was only a reply to me that might have made sense huh ..
I just thought you could keep up with the conversation 😛
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants well fucken take it up with Tim! I have no idea why you are having a go at me about it, that's just weird.
And I think saying Ardie single handedly won us games and no one else could ever do that means you're lost in the fog of heart mate.
I wasn't having a go at you, I was replying to your post at me saying ABs don't choose teams. Maybe I should've tagged Tim in that reply?
Well yeah since it was only a reply to me that might have made sense huh ..
I just thought you could keep up with the conversation 😛
Oh you're new here?
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
With Cane out there's no way this coaching group won't start Ardie.
Ardie will start at either 7 or 8.
At least he can't play both which means a start for one of Papali'i/Sotutu/Jacobson.
I’d say with both Cane and Frizell out that Ardie is a dead certainty to start in the bigger games
No big games for a while tho, first 3 aren't
Good chance for Foster to notch up another historic loss
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you select Frizzell, Savea, and Barrett, and a hundred other bums, ahead of Papalii and Ioane, and then not understand why England fucking destroy your garbage forward pack
Savea a bum at the last World Cup? This is laughable beyond comprehension. Ioane was lazy as fuck back in 2019, I wouldn’t of had him anywhere near the All Blacks.
Pretty silly of you not even mentioning Read, he was probably the forward that was slightly passed it and there was probably question marks about his selection. But Ardie? You’re just on the troll at this point.
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@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.
- Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.
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Big savea fan but this is my team so far:
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Hogman
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Taylor
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Laulala
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Whitelock
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Vaii
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Robinson/Blackadder
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Papalii
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Sotutu
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Smith
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Moanga
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Fianganuku
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Havili
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Lenert-Brown
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Jordan
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J Barrett
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De Groot? (Tu'inukuafe doesn't offer enough)
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Aumua
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Tuangafasi
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Big Bad Brodie (for the first game)
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A Savea
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Webber
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DMac
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Reece
A Ioane hasn't been good enough for me.
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@mackerzzzz interesting that you have De Groot as the replacement hooker and Aumua as the replacement prop. 😁
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz interesting that you have De Groot as the replacement hooker and Aumua as the replacement prop. 😁
16,17,18 doesn't mean anything. Could be no23. He is still a hooker
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you select Frizzell, Savea, and Barrett, and a hundred other bums, ahead of Papalii and Ioane, and then not understand why England fucking destroy your garbage forward packSavea a bum at the last World Cup? This is laughable beyond comprehension. Ioane was lazy as fuck back in 2019, I wouldn’t of had him anywhere near the All Blacks.
Pretty silly of you not even mentioning Read, he was probably the forward that was slightly passed it and there was probably question marks about his selection. But Ardie? You’re just on the troll at this point.
Past
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What about really ambitious: 2027 world cup:
- The Groot
- Aumua
- The mighty Williams
- Scott Barrett
- Vaiiiiii
- Robinson/ Blackadder
- Sam Cane (may be to old - if so papalii)
- Sotutu
- Fakatava
- Moanga
- Clarke
- J Barrett (could become a very good 12)
- Lenert-Brown
- Likley bolter/young gun. Ratumituvuki- knepkins?
- Jordan (could become cullen good)
- A Ross?
- S Vikena?
- Tuangafasi?
- Lord or Darry
- Savea
- Only other good young guy is Roe
- DMac or Z Sullivan
- Not sure - nani-seturo? narawa? Fihaki?
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.
- Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.
Starting loose forwards as a trio aren't abrasive enough for test footy imo. One of Ardie or Hoskins would need to drop out.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What about really ambitious: 2027 world cup:
- The Groot
- Aumua
- The mighty Williams
- Scott Barrett
- Vaiiiiii
- Robinson/ Blackadder
- Sam Cane (may be to old - if so papalii)
- Sotutu
- Fakatava
- Moanga
- Clarke
- J Barrett (could become a very good 12)
- Lenert-Brown
- Likley bolter/young gun. Ratumituvuki- knepkins?
- Jordan (could become cullen good)
- A Ross?
- S Vikena?
- Tuangafasi?
- Lord or Darry
- Savea
- Only other good young guy is Roe
- DMac or Z Sullivan
- Not sure - nani-seturo? narawa? Fihaki?
Williams is a LH, Newell is the TH to watch.
That’s as far as I got.
