Coronavirus - Australia
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
That's the optics of the "personal responsibility" directive and the subsequent failrues to ramp up PCR testing or acquire RAT in sufficient quantity.
My understanding is the PCR testing wait times were twofold:
- A needless requirement for people who may have been exposed to isolate when contrasted against symptomatic cases and vaccination status of the country.
- The ridiculous demand for healthy people to secure a negative test prior to crossing a State border on holiday.
For the RAT debacle you can look no further than the medical community and thank them for actively trying to prevent their adoption despite overwhelming evidence overseas.
Now we've got places like aged care providers shutting their doors to visitors again because they're unable to operate in the fashion they'd like.
Good. Better them than everyone else and it almost approaches good risk management practises given NINDSS data as of 16th January has 80.2% of deaths coming from 4.2% of the population (i.e. 70+). Meanwhile 0.01% of the estimated population has died from covid and only 0.19% of confirmed cases in Australia have died.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
They backflipped on a few things because of the growth of Omicron, but it was hardly a staggering backdown.
That's the optics of the "personal responsibility" directive and the subsequent failrues to ramp up PCR testing or acquire RAT in sufficient quantity.
Well the RAT failure is surely a Federal matter more than a NSW matter, and I agree that should have happened better than it did.
PCR testing was tougher. Clearly they didn't plan effectively but I'm not sure if you could ever have successfully planned for the influx they have.
The reality is NSW (and every other state bar WA) was caught on the hop by a variant that spread faster than anyone expected. It happened to hit at Christmas which was a bad time on a number of fronts - plenty of parties to spread the virus and plenty of workers on leave to ensure that there weren't enough staff to deal with it.
If you want to hang your hat on two weeks when we didn't wear masks in certain settings as evidence of failure then go for it. But to me we're in this situation regardless of whether that decision was made or not.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
NSW today:
- Cases UP 30,000
- Hospitalisations DOWN 82
- ICU DOWN 5
Active cases down to 278k from a high of 342k just 5 days ago.
cautious optimism?
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@mariner4life exactly the phase i was searching for, am i being naive thinking we may have peaked?
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life exactly the phase i was searching for, am i being naive thinking we may have peaked?
even the more alarmist news sites are using that word.
I'm still hoping to be in Sydney in March so it may be a different world by then. Maybe
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
NSW today:
- Cases UP 30,000
- Hospitalisations DOWN 82
- ICU DOWN 5
Active cases down to 278k from a high of 342k just 5 days ago.
cautious optimism?
I'm not even cautious. Even if we haven't completely peaked, hospitalisations are running at 0.01% of infected, and half of that are folk in hospital for some other reason.
Time to move on in this Code Red country
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In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
Are backpackers really going to come to Australia now they can save ~$500 on a visa? I'd suggest they were either going to come or not.
The students are just a backdoor to permanent migration.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
Are backpackers really going to come to Australia now they can save ~$500 on a visa? I'd suggest they were either going to come or not.
The students are just a backdoor to permanent migration.
no, waiving the fee was lip service, something this government (all governments really) are really big on.
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Just wow
"if you have a look at the alternative, which is what is going on in the eastern states at the moment, they basically have hundreds of people dying, they have mass dislocation in the economy, in logistics, freight, and all elements of the economy.
"They have huge numbers of people not going to work, kids not going to school, hospitals overflowing with patients, hospitals in meltdown, that is what is happening.
"It would be grossly irresponsible of me not to act on the basis of that because to do anything else without high levels of vaccination would basically mean we would be responsible for potentially lots of people dying."
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo Is anyone surprised by that? He's nailed himself to the mast of "keeping West Australians safe" in a State where the health system is close to collapse anyway. If the virus got in they're fucked.
It's the rhetoric that gets me - and the fact that he doesn't even feel the need for a target date any more. Good cover on the West Australian today:
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@higgins said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo Well that's one way of ensuring he never gets issued another visa to enter Australia again.
Lost prize money for future tournaments, appearance fees etc.
I mean none of this will hurt his brand, after all.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tiley should resign for starters. I expect that Djokovic will also now sue TA.
Well, you were right, apparently he's preparing to sue the Australian Gov for $6m, including for lost prize money
And he might not be able to play in the other slams with his vaccination status.