Weights then Cardio or Cardio then Weights?
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peas and corn very starchy=carbs.<br />
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No idea on the energy in the AM, jsut to fuel you up for training - is just one scoop, so like a couple of tablespoons of sugar I s'pose.<br />
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well, been what, 10 weeks or so now (I could check my arnold thread, but too lazy), and October 10 is 'showtime', so will let you know how long we can continue!!!<br />
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4 cups of veg once you cook them don't seem so large!! Sometimes do a half salad half vege thing too!! it's either veg or salad for your greens. -
[quote name='BartMan']Cato, the last beer I had was I think with treat meal #2 at Lone Star Cafe in Tauranga. It was a Steinlager Pure, icy cold. That must have been ten weeks or so ago now <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> <br />
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Thank god it is winter here, otherwise it would be impossible - mowing the lawns on a hot summer day requires, nay, [i]demands [/i]a beer once you are finished!<br />
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But in teh dim dark depths of winter, it is not so hard![/quote]<br />
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There are several reasons to get thrown out of the front row union, but man - you have crossed the Rubicon now. -
Well congratulations then - I must say it seems to be going very well for you. Is the plan to continue after the comp or is it straight on the lash afterwards?
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I think three weeks after the comp are the nationals - so if those are qualified for, be straight back into training for 3 weeks. But the night of the comp, I am planning on visiign every hamburger joint in Wellington, before having the two beers that will turn me on my head!!
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Smal steps my man, small steps. Just ease yourself back into it and you should be ok <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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fuck no, once it is over - you are apparantly shagged, I am just going to eat the first thing that comes into my mind - at the moment it is breakfast cereals that I would kill for - a big arse bowl of cornflakes would go down a treat - it is weird! Mrs BartMan it is eggs on toast!!
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If the goal is weight loss then it should be weights then cardio. The idea is to burn as much glycogen, which is stored energy in the muscles, as possible before hitting the cardio. Once the body runs out of glycogen, it starts burning fat for use as energy. And you should be doing a minimum of 20 minutes cardio. One hour is ideal.
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Here's what I'm doing Sat and Sunday. If I want to increase the muscle while keeping getting fit, how should I structure the workouts? I'll resume going to the gym sometime in a month or two.<br />
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2 hour workout: 3 loops up and down the hill. Each loop includes 5 reps of a steep section at the front side, and 5 reps of a steep back section after reaching the top. All at max walking pace Then, I do some knee lifts (3 sets of
and some bicep curls with a squatting bar. Reps take 40m.<br />
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Longer hike 3-5 hours with a few knee lifts on the pull up bar at the end<br />
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I might do the same workout sat and sunday (and have the occasional longer 5-6 hour hike), extend it to 2 1/2 hours, and add on 30 minutes of weights at the end-continuous reps of squats, curls, bench press, knee lifts...and immediately drink protein drink and beef meal. Am 84-85kg at moment, want to get to 88kg with less fat -
I'm now on a three day revolving workout. 1. Chest/Back, 2. Legs/Core 3. Wednesday Arms, repeat with weekends off. 3 sets of 10, not including warmup which is the full circuit with 50% weight. Then onto the bike for cardio, 45 mins plus with H/R target of 75% maximum H/R - I'm 30 so that's around the 145bpm mark so I'm told. Saturday I just do the Cardio, Sunday off. <br />
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Quit the boozing (apart from a couple of lapses), eating low carb low cal and warily supplementing/replacing snacks with protein shakes. And I'm still on my liver pills - Milk Thistle stuff. <br />
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Dunno if I've ever mentioned it but a few years back I near on killed that with boozing - I had to do gluten free, no red meat, nothing but rice, chicken fish and veges and fruit. And some pills (that I eventually started throwing away...) from the quack that literally had me shitting anything I ate within 3 hours of eating. I lost 20kgs over 4 months, no exercise except the twiddling of thumbs for the playstation. Liver still screws with my metabolism, and I put a lot of that weight back over the last few years gradually.<br />
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Got a slight flu, oink, so had last night off because I felt like a half-burned matchstick. But this shit is working for me - losing my fat fluffybunny status at a good rate, toning up, raring to go for the boarding season which for me starts on July 11. -
I'm quite similar in some ways ( although despite all the boozing I used to do I haven't ever had liver problems ). Low carb eating is good to maintain the weight and I'm doing a chin up and pull up session a week for back/arms. Underhand then overhand a few days later. I do squats or deadlifts once a week. I'm alternating benching between close grip and normal grip, have to do less weights with CG obviously but burns the tris nicely !
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When I competed in bodybuilding I used to carb deplete then carb load. A week before competition, you cut your carbs way down, then two days before you go high carb and your muscles really fill out. Veins like garden hoses.<br />
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Bart, are they still doing that? It used to be the way to go when entering a competition. Not sure if it's still being done. -
yeah, you still carb deplete, dunno about the loading at the end - as I have said, leaving all that to my PT, she's a million times NZ champ etc, so if she says to eat rats droppings, rats droppings it is!!<br />
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I have veins popping out all over at the moment - down my quads even, feel like a freak, but loving every freaky minute of it! -
Okay the idea of the diet being 80% of a weight loss regime is bang on - down to a 35" waist from a 38", back into jeans I last wore in London, AB's jersey is looser, I look better in a L rather than an XL tee.... And I'm doing less cardio and weights than I was before and losing it faster.<br />
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For any one going snowboarding, the rowing machine, weirdly enough, is a friend. I guess it's all the "explosive" action for the legs. Roman chair thing too. -
After reading this thread I changed a couple of months ago from cardio then weights to weights first - man, I have been wasting time for years! Has made a significant difference in a bit of weight loss, a fair bit more fat loss, so I guess some muscle gain, but all with the same effort. Good one guys.<br />
Funny thing is Scorz, I have mostly subconsciously changed the way I eat too in the same time (even into Bart's tuna tins too!!), so that's helping as you say. -
That's awesome Cyclo, isn't it great when you find something that works and is [i]sustainable[/i] without becoming a miserable bag of shite eating things you hate? <br />
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The other thing I've taken on board is the disdain for things that say "fat free" on the wrapper. I know look at all the things that people eat because of the advertising and shake my head. It's almost enough to convince me of a conspiracy: Keep the people fat, and they'll be to lazy to buck the system. -
[quote name='Scorz']That's awesome Cyclo, isn't it great when you find something that works and is [i]sustainable[/i] without becoming a miserable bag of shite eating things you hate? <br />
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The other thing I've taken on board is the disdain for things that say "fat free" on the wrapper. I know look at all the things that people eat because of the advertising and shake my head. It's almost enough to convince me of a conspiracy: Keep the people fat, and they'll be to lazy to buck the system.[/quote]<br />
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Fat free they may be but full of carbs ! I treated myself to some delicious licorice wraps last night, about 5 of them over the course of the evening which was all well and good until I saw each one had THIRTY grams of carbs in it ! <br />
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Farkin hell, if those carbs were protein I'd look like Arnie. -
[quote name='cyclopath']After reading this thread I changed a couple of months ago from cardio then weights to weights first - man, I have been wasting time for years! Has made a significant difference in a bit of weight loss, a fair bit more fat loss, so I guess some muscle gain, but all with the same effort. Good one guys.<br />
Funny thing is Scorz, I have mostly subconsciously changed the way I eat too in the same time (even into Bart's tuna tins too!!), so that's helping as you say.[/quote]<br />
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Nice one cyclo. <br />
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There is a psyche that most people fall into and that is they have to do "cardio" before they start lifting weights to (and these are the ones I've heard around) "loosen up", "get the blood flowing", "get the heart racing", "warm up", etc.<br />
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They all sound good, and I agree that before lifting weights its important that the body is warmed up a bit in order to lift big, and the joints are loosened. But people don't realise that they don't need to go on a tready or bike for 15mins to get that. I always warmup before a workout with a variation of bodyweight squats, close grip pushups, back raises and pullups. Doing those exercises without rest for a couple of sets gets the heart racing, gives a full body workout and will contribute to fat loss as well.<br />
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Eh? My warm-ups = 1 set of everything with 50% weight on the bar. <br />
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Cardio warm ups for weights - that sounds like an injury waiting to happen? eusa_think <br />
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I'm doing the rowing machine buzz for cardio now. My knees are farked so no option on running, and the rowing machine seems to burn more cals than the bike.
