Coronavirus - Overall
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It will be interesting in the aftermath to delve into the statistics and various policy responses to gain an understanding of why some places were hardly affected and others utterly smashed.
And by that I mean beyond "these people aren't land whales and practise hygiene". Unless that becomes the real defining solution.
Land whales is going to be up there
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It will be interesting in the aftermath to delve into the statistics and various policy responses to gain an understanding of why some places were hardly affected and others utterly smashed.
And by that I mean beyond "these people aren't land whales and practise hygiene". Unless that becomes the real defining solution.
The dicotomy between NYC and LA/San Fran is stark. My Californian mates tell me that the politicos there weren't any great shakes. One key factor is likely to be that NYC has well over a million a day commuting on subway or trains, whereas California very car based.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman and yet California has been subject to one of the longest and most severe lockdowns yeah?
You've got me on that. I do think they started early, but haven't really heard anything in last few weeks.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman and yet California has been subject to one of the longest and most severe lockdowns yeah?
You've got me on that. I do think they started early, but haven't really heard anything in last few weeks.
I think they're still going, but can't be sure. A mate as of a week ago, who runs a wine tasting tour business to Sonoma Valley, was still unable to operate . May have changed in the last week though
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo mate at Huntington beach was off out to the pub on a bike in the weekend so must be relaxing.
Checked in with my mate overnight, this was the response:
"No - we just got another 2 weeks slapped on in our county (Sonoma) for a slight rise in cases. Wineries are now open for “outdoor dining only” since last week. But the issue is - the “Shelter In Place (SIP)” is still in place for all of California so technically you aren’t supposed to leave your house unless it’s essential. Which is completely fucked and confusing for businesses. We can open but aren’t allowed visitors to the wine country...
On a funny note - the County Sherrif in Sonoma just announced that they’re not going to fine or cite anyone anymore for breaking SIP rules - so even the law enforcement are over it. True story but kinda shocking as to how much of a mess it is here."
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Big thread, but nub is that past coronavirus (e.g. cold) exposure is likely to leave immulogical changes. There seems some evidence that these can attack structures which Covid shares and shut it down. Would mean herd immunity is reached at much less than 60% infection level generally assumed. And would explain why in many places infectivity seems to have plummetted independently of lockdown.
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The States Covid numbers are going to be interesting in a few weeks time. The whole pandemic has become and afterthought for a lot of countries all of a sudden. We're going to find out just how serious it is and whether lockdowns were needed at all.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337051
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
I wouldn't rely on the NZ Herald for any answers to a complex issue like this. But if they didn't protect the vulnerable they are stupid
"Authorities in Sweden, including Tegnell, have been criticised — and have apologised — for failing to protect the country's elderly and nursing home residents"
One key always was to protect the vulnerable (and definitely not sending the sick to nursing homes likes they did in high death states in the US). Having said this was it really necessary to destroy the economy by using heavy handed nanny state tactics like many countries did
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't