Coronavirus - New Zealand
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You have to wonder how many of these blunders have been helped by an ineffective opposition, mostly compliant media and a 'kind' public.
The opposition have faced a public backlash when they have questioned what is going on (maybe fair enough in some cases) and seemly haven't had the skill set to look for right opening to make progress on these kind of things. Imagine if NZF, National, ACT etc. had looked into this lack of testing weeks ago and been pointing it out. They could either have blocked potential holes in the system or be in a position to show that they tried to stop this latest outbreak.
The media don't seem too interested in pushing against Cindy and have pretty much given her a TV slot when she wants to campaign on how good a job Labour have done. The media need to really pressure Cindy and Andrew so that they're going back to their people and walking through these processes and picking up mistakes.
The public seems really averse to any contrary opinion that NZ is the bestest and kindest in the world at Covid. 'We've got this' and any questioning of what has happened/ing is faced with massive pushback, or 'look at the polling numbers' they show how well we've done.
I may have missed it but is there any actual data released on how far we've come since March? How many more icu beds are there? How many more respirators are there? How many people are in contact with new arrivals and what is the weekly % tests for these people?
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@Toddy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Imagine NZF, National, ACT etc. had looked into this lack of testing weeks ago and been pointing it out. They could either have blocked potential holes in the system or be in a position to show that they tried to stop this latest outbreak.
Or they could let it happen and let the government look incompetent?
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@ploughboy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
every time national says anything there are a flood of articles on stuff etc saying how wrong they are/cant say that/not helpful/spreading conspiracy theories.
Last night they got some talking head they labelled as an "expert" without mentioning his credentials and labelled National's strategy as out of the Trump playbook.
Propaganda at it's finest.
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This quote is from yesterday's MoH media release:
Genome sequencing
We are continuing with genome sequencing investigations. What we know so far is that there has been no exact link with a recent case in MIQ from the samples we have been able to genome sequence, however, genome sequencing of new cases resembles the genome pattern from the UK and Australia most closely.
This seems to indicate that it's unlikely that the new cases are linked to someone who has been in contact with new arrivals at the border (people working at the airport and managed isolation and quarantine facilities). My bet would be on air crew (pilots and esp flight attendants).
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@ploughboy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
every time national says anything there are a flood of articles on stuff etc saying how wrong they are/cant say that/not helpful/spreading conspiracy theories.
Last night they got some talking head they labelled as an "expert" without mentioning his credentials and labelled National's strategy as out of the Trump playbook.
Propaganda at it's finest.
I saw that on TB, laughed, mentioned that he was a complete piston wristed gibbon, and changed the channel.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@ploughboy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
every time national says anything there are a flood of articles on stuff etc saying how wrong they are/cant say that/not helpful/spreading conspiracy theories.
Last night they got some talking head they labelled as an "expert" without mentioning his credentials and labelled National's strategy as out of the Trump playbook.
Propaganda at it's finest.
I saw that on TB, laughed, mentioned that he was a complete piston wristed gibbon, and changed the channel.
The media not holding the government to account and acting like cheerleaders has contributed to the mess we are in now.
Threads on the Fern have pointed out the obvious flaws in Quarantine (air crew for example) so it's not like it's hard to deduce that we had a quarantine in name only.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
My bet would be on air crew (pilots and esp flight attendants).
Maybe. If they are correct about the amount of time needed to be in direct contact with an infected person it becomes a little difficult to say.
Pilots - maybe. Separate air supply to the flight deck (airbus anyway) and it all goes through HEPA filters which are supposed to take out the virus. That's not to say that they haven't picked it up while out somewhere overseas and then sat next to another pilot for a long period of time. Then aren't required to isolate
How many cabin crew spend that amount of time with a passenger? Not so likely. Exchanging body fluids excluded from that.
But how long are people spending standing next to each other in an immigration queue?
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There has been far too much "self isolation" at all levels in the past few months.
Trusting individuals to make the right decisions, willfully or not, to restrict the spread of the disease is keystone cops level of incompetance.
It's either serious enough to have proper quarantine, or it isn't. Shutting down the economy and people's freedoms seems to indicate they think it's serious. So build a proper quarantine facility that you keep people in and get serious about it.
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@Kirwan Please, remind me, which people have been in self-isolation, lately? I can't remember which groups get to that, the last few months. Everyone coming into the country form overseas goes into a quarantine or managed isolation facility, which aren't "self-isolation".
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan Please, remind me, which people have been in self-isolation, lately? I can't remember which groups get to that, the last few months. Everyone coming into the country form overseas goes into a quarantine or managed isolation facility, which aren't "self-isolation".
Two minute google from the government health website;
"Air and vessel crew – see the Border controls page for self-isolation requirements.
Confirmed or probable cases of COVID-19 – Care at home has information for you or others you are caring for who do not need to be hospitalised. You should follow advice from your health care provider."
So one group that is exposed to the virus on a regular basis via their work, and if the got any probable cases people that potentially have the virus.
Then you have the exceptions (that we hear about) like these guys;
They were spotted out an about in Wellington during their "self isolation".
Am sure people will point out others.
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More recent example;
Second to be allowed to do so.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Who do they get in contact with overseas in-between flights?
Yeah. I mentioned that, and I think that it has been left to personal responsibility - which, as we have seen, isn't as strong in some people as others.
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there must be serious health conditions present that cannot be adequately addressed in a hotel setting, but that are not necessarily appropriate to manage in a hospital setting
Sounds like they had a very good reason for that exception.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
there must be serious health conditions present that cannot be adequately addressed in a hotel setting, but that are not necessarily appropriate to manage in a hospital setting
Sounds like they had a very good reason for that exception.
So ignoring the 10s/100s of air crew and the 54 members of the film crew? Not surprised.
Of course they have a good reason to be home, but what protections have been made to prevent family from visting them and go home? See the flaws in this approach?
You asked for examples, and I provided three with minimal effort.
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TBH, I'm really torn over the 'be kind' messaging. Because there are absolute assholes abusing medical workers, cops, shop staff etc who need a hard slap. However it sets uncomfortable parameters in terms of accountability, where genuine necessary questions are portrayed as being mean. It's not mean to ask hard (but respectful) questions to get facts and information.
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