Coronavirus - Australia
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Anyone know anyone in quarantine or recently out in Sydney? Got any stories?
The missus is due to fly into Sydney tomorrow for her stint.
I hear they've got a lovely new security firm running it. Luckily for all, they'd just lost a contract in Melbourne, so moved up the road.
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Well it would appear the Australian Police and security forces are taking quarantine pretty seriously. My wife arrived last night, got shipped straight to a CBD hotel. Her room has a window that doesn't open, and she is not allowed to leave for 14 days. Not even to exercise.
She asked if she could have a room with a working window or balcony with no success.
Her application to be allowed to self isolate at home hasn't even been responded to, despite her coming from NZ and having an empty apartment at her disposal.
A call to the Helpline advised her that nobody ever gets moved once they're in a hotel room, so that seems to be. The only other advice they gave was to "maybe lobby your local politician"
I can't even imagine what 14 days with no fresh air would be like. It's less humane than HK putting ankle bracelets on returning citizens.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Well it would appear the Australian Police and security forces are taking quarantine pretty seriously. My wife arrived last night, got shipped straight to a CBD hotel. Her room has a window that doesn't open, and she is not allowed to leave for 14 days. Not even to exercise.
She asked if she could have a room with a working window or balcony with no success.
Her application to be allowed to self isolate at home hasn't even been responded to, despite her coming from NZ and having an empty apartment at her disposal.
A call to the Helpline advised her that nobody ever gets moved once they're in a hotel room, so that seems to be. The only other advice they gave was to "maybe lobby your local politician"
I can't even imagine what 14 days with no fresh air would be like. It's less humane than HK putting ankle bracelets on returning citizens.
My cousin did it recently and he said it was awful. Everyone was emotional and in tears when they were released on the Friday.
He was lucky as he had freinds close by that could drop off fresh fruit etc. Make sure you wife has that in place.
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@Hooroo she has plenty of family there, I suspect her mum will bombard her with food and calls. It's really the lack exercise and fresh air that you just can't solve for.
I find it pretty wild that our government can take these things away from us at their whim.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo she has plenty of family there, I suspect her mum will bombard her with food and calls. It's really the lack exercise and fresh air that you just can't solve for.
I find it pretty wild that our government can take these things away from us at their whim.
I think that it is because we all have a choice and the Govt is giving the option. Come back and isolate or don't come back. That seems reasonably fair to me to protect the inside from the outside.
It's going to be a tough couple of weeks and then it will all be done.
My cousin struggled with the lack of fresh air too
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@Hooroo well, actually the government asked its citizens to return to Oz. And even if it hadn't, as citizens, we always have the right to return.
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend. Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
And even if we insist on locking people in hotels in Oz, with the vastly reduced number of people they are allowing back in, at a significant cost to the returnee I would add, how can we not find a way to allow them some fresh air??? Even the incarcerated get some yard time every day!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo well, actually the government asked its citizens to return to Oz. And even if it hadn't, as citizens, we always have the right to return.
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend. Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
And even if we insist on locking people in hotels in Oz, with the vastly reduced number of people they are allowing back in, at a significant cost to the returnee I would add, how can we not find a way to allow them some fresh air??? Even the incarcerated get some yard time every day!
I do hear you, I just accept the justification.
Do you have to pay to self Isolate in Aussie? Are there levels like you can pay more for 5 star and pay less for 1 star (as an example only)
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend. Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
basically the risk/reward. If you drink/drive you might kill someone, or at worst a few people. If you bolt quarantine and induce a second way as a SUPER SPREADER then you could do billions of dollars of damage to the economy, and kill a whole lot of people. So yeah, I see why people are tight about it.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo well, actually the government asked its citizens to return to Oz. And even if it hadn't, as citizens, we always have the right to return.
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend. Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
And even if we insist on locking people in hotels in Oz, with the vastly reduced number of people they are allowing back in, at a significant cost to the returnee I would add, how can we not find a way to allow them some fresh air??? Even the incarcerated get some yard time every day!
seriously? after seeing whats happened in vic where pretty much the entire second wave is coming down the one security guard? we couldn't trust someone we were paying to do the right thing and could go home at night..you thin we can trust everyone?
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@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
you do realise a fine after the fact wont uninfect people right? everyones making sacrifices to some degree for the greater good, fresh air comes just below not catching an avoidable deadly virus on the list of basic human rights
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
you do realise a fine after the fact wont uninfect people right? everyones making sacrifices to some degree for the greater good, fresh air comes just below not catching an avoidable deadly virus on the list of basic human rights
That's just silly mate. If you're trying to argue that a deterrant (eg the threat of a huge fine or incarceration) doesn't have any impact on behaviour, then I'm wasting my time with you. Your sarcasm is not helpful.
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im not saying its not a deterrent, but its a bit of an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, the whole idea is to isolate before anyone gets the chance to interact with people, you seem to be missing the whole point
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@Kiwiwomble I'm not missing the point at all. I'm not arguing that quarantine isn't necessary, I'm saying the way Australia is doing it is not the right way. Even NZ, the poster child for elimination, allows its arrivals to suck some fresh air and exercise. There is zero need for arrivals to Sydney to be put up in the CBD. They should be put on a bus and taken out of town, somewhere where they can walk and exercise away from the public. Plenty of space in the Hunter, the BM's etc.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend.
But they do, unfortunately, and people are seriously hurt, or die.
Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
Because - as we've seen with re-emergence of upward trend, people as a whole can't be trusted. Security guards getting it on with infectious returnees (in isolation) in Melbourne. Kids throwing parties in an AirBnB a suburb over from me.
The frustration is obvious, and I would not want to be in that situation for quids. But unfortunately we've got people who don't understand that even pushing the boundaries is potentially hazardous.
I'm looking at our club's rugby games right now and thinking they're a massive risk. Similarly, I'm looking at the lack of consistency in my household and wondering why this message isn't pretty clear for some people.
e.g. pissing rain in Sydney, asked the wife if she wanted to go out for a coffee to break up the boredom. "Well, should we? I mean, given the situation"
OK then.
Next Sunday we're booked to catch up with some of her family over the other side of Sydney at a venue. Problem is a maximum booking of 10 and about 20 people showing up. "Not an issue", said the venue, "we'll just break you up into 2 groups with different bookings".
And that's apparently fine.
Hi-rise hotels with no fresh air are fucked. I always seem to get sick from the shitty HVAC settings they yse.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Security guards getting it on with infectious returnees (in isolation) in Melbourne
i hope @voodoo made sure Mrs Voodoo only packed tracky daks and sweatshirts. If she wears anything too sexy...
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Did anyone see that footage of the Karen at Bunnings in Melbourne? Fuck that was some funny shit.
These "Sovereign Citizen" types who go around quoting bits of legislation they don't understand are the gift that keeps on giving, particularly as they keep filming themselves fucking up.