North vs South
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So teams will be picked based on the first province they played for. Stupid decision IMO. This means the likes of Jordie Barrett, Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock will all play for the South, whereas Rettalick, Damian McKenzie, Leinert Brown etc will play for the North.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/foster-reveals-north-v-south-eligibility/
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He also mentions eligibility for the North-South game - the first province you played for.
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@Canes4life Basically the same criteria they use for State of Origin then.
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@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
He also mentions eligibility for the North-South game - the first province you played for.
At senior level or at junior level?
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silly criteria to be a real island of origin kind of deal
but probably the best was to even the odds because canterbury and otago draw some talent for rugby and university retrospectively, evens out the much larger population base of the north
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“We think the best legacy thing for us to do is to pick players on the first province they played for because the choice they made when they played first class rugby for that province was probably the start of their move into the professional game. So we think that’s the best criteria,” Foster said.I suppose that means after leaving school.
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Sam Whitelock made a good point in an interview the other day. He said he was excited to play for the North because it allowed him to play with guys he rarely had a chance to play with. This criteria will stop that happening which is a shame.
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
Sam Whitelock made a good point in an interview the other day. He said he was excited to play for the North because it allowed him to play with guys he rarely had a chance to play with. This criteria will stop that happening which is a shame.
That's why I thought your high school would be the best criteria as it mixes up the teams more. I'll have a word to Foster.
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Yeah stupid but trying to balance the Islands I guess
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High School or current province would've better. First province sucks. Scott and Jordie Barrett like mentioned above, Brad Weber who played few games for Otago then moved. Shit criteria really.
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@Yeetyaah said in North vs South:
High School or current province would've better. First province sucks. Scott and Jordie Barrett like mentioned above, Brad Weber who played few games for Otago then moved. Shit criteria really.
Weber still does the Dunedin RFC Fin when he scores, Dunners is still important to him, i think he'll be ok
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@Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:
@Yeetyaah said in North vs South:
High School or current province would've better. First province sucks. Scott and Jordie Barrett like mentioned above, Brad Weber who played few games for Otago then moved. Shit criteria really.
Weber still does the Dunedin RFC Fin when he scores, Dunners is still important to him, i think he'll be ok
As long as he gets to wear a black and white t shirt under his whatever coloured South Island jersey he'll be fine.
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@Kiwiwomble only coz he was a gross Castle Street breather
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So North will have Smith at halfback, with Hall or Nock on the bench?
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@Kiwiwomble Only the club, not the province though
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@Tim said in North vs South:
So North will have Smith at halfback, with Hall or Nock on the bench?
You think that either of those two have a chance of leap frogging TJ?
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@Nepia that's the joke emoticon
Both are in better form than Perenara though.
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@Stargazer said in North vs South:
@Kiwiwomble Only the club, not the province though
of course...Dunedin's not a province, he was a big deal in club rugby for a few years, robbed he didn't get more games for otago, loved seeing him tear it up for the sharks though
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@Nepia said in North vs South:
@Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:
@Yeetyaah said in North vs South:
High School or current province would've better. First province sucks. Scott and Jordie Barrett like mentioned above, Brad Weber who played few games for Otago then moved. Shit criteria really.
Weber still does the Dunedin RFC Fin when he scores, Dunners is still important to him, i think he'll be ok
As long as he gets to wear a black and white t shirt under his whatever coloured South Island jersey he'll be fine.
speaking from experience, a lot of the best Otago rugby players come from Hawke's Bay
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@Tim you are kidding right?
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@Canes4life Read the thread.
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Hookers:
North: Coles, Aumua, Parsons, Dixon
South: Taylor, Coltman, ... Makalio (although his first province was - according to Wikipedia - Wairarapa-Bush, does Heartland count?)If it had been based on school, it would have been:
North: Taylor, Coles, Coltman, Aumua, Parsons ... Makalio
South: Dixon ... Ricky Jackson/Brodie McAlister?
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Laulala and Lomax are eligible for the SI now.
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This criteria kind of diminishes the point of a North vs South game. The whole tribal factor is what these sorts of games are built around. I feel they've missed the mark and I think the care factor will be alot lower than it could have been.
IMO they should let the players decide who they play for, but once they pull on a jersey they can't switch down the track.
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
This criteria kind of diminishes the point of a North vs South game. The whole tribal factor is what these sorts of games are built around. I feel they've missed the mark and I think the care factor will be alot lower than it could have been.
IMO they should let the players decide who they play for, but once they pull on a jersey they can't switch down the track.
They should have just done Probables vs Possibles.
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@KiwiMurph said in North vs South:
@Canes4life said in North vs South:
This criteria kind of diminishes the point of a North vs South game. The whole tribal factor is what these sorts of games are built around. I feel they've missed the mark and I think the care factor will be alot lower than it could have been.
IMO they should let the players decide who they play for, but once they pull on a jersey they can't switch down the track.
They should have just done Probables vs Possibles.
i saw an idea going around, two coaches named and they just get to pick their own squads, taking turns, stream it and make it a bit of an event of it
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POSSIBLE NORTH TEAM:
- Karl Tu'unukuafe
- Dane Coles
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuipolotu
- Brodie Rettalick (if he's available)
- Ardie Savea
- Sam Cane
- Hoskins Sotutu
- Aaron Smith
- Beauden Barrett
- Reiko Ioane
- Ngani Laumape
- Anton Leinert Brown
- Sevu Reece
- Damian McKenzie
- Asafo Aumua
- Aiden Ross / Xavier Numia (anyone better)?
- Angus Ta'avao
- Isaia Walker-Leawere
- Gareth Evans/Akira Ioane
- TJ Perenara
- Aaron Cruden
- Vince Aso
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
POSSIBLE NORTH TEAM:
- Karl Tu'unukuafe
- Dane Coles
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuipolotu
- Brodie Rettalick (if he's available)
- Ardie Savea
- Sam Cane
- Hoskins Sotutu
- Aaron Smith
- Beauden Barrett
- Reiko Ioane
- Ngani Laumape
- Anton Leinert Brown
- Sevu Reece
- Damian McKenzie
- Asafo Aumua
- Aiden Ross / Xavier Numia (anyone better)?
- Angus Ta'avao
- Isaia Walker-Leawere
- Gareth Evans/Akira Ioane
- TJ Perenara
- Aaron Cruden
- Vince Aso
bugger thats a good team...Evans debuted for otago though, another Dunedin RFC boy
everyone know the story of him playing two games for the Highlanders in one day? big fan
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POSSIBLE SOUTH TEAM:
- Joe Moody
- Codie Taylor
- Tyrel Lomax
- Scott Barrett
- Sam Whitelock
- Cullen Grace
- James Lentjies
- Gareth Evans
- Brad Webber
- Richie Mo'unga
- George Bridge
- Jordie Barrett
- Jack Goodhue
- Will Jordan
- David Havili
- Liam Coltman
- Oli Jager
- Nepo Laulaula
- Luke Romano
- Billy Harmon
- Mitchell Drummond
- Mitchell Hunt
- Braydon Ennor
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
POSSIBLE NORTH TEAM:
- Karl Tu'unukuafe
- Dane Coles
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuipolotu
- Brodie Rettalick (if he's available)
- Ardie Savea
- Sam Cane
- Hoskins Sotutu
- Aaron Smith
- Beauden Barrett
- Reiko Ioane
- Ngani Laumape
- Anton Leinert Brown
- Sevu Reece
- Damian McKenzie
- Asafo Aumua
- Aiden Ross / Xavier Numia (anyone better)?
- Angus Ta'avao
- Isaia Walker-Leawere
Gareth Evans/Akira Ioane- TJ Perenara
- Aaron Cruden
- Vince Aso
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
POSSIBLE SOUTH TEAM:
- Joe Moody
- Codie Taylor
- Tyrel Lomax
- Scott Barrett
- Sam Whitelock
- Cullen Grace
- James Lentjies
- Gareth Evans
- Brad Webber
- Richie Mo'unga
- George Bridge
- Jordie Barrett
- Jack Goodhue
- Will Jordan
- David Havili
- Liam Coltman
- Oli Jager
- Nepo Laulaula
- Luke Romano
- Billy Harmon
- Mitchell Drummond
- Mitchell Hunt
- Braydon Ennor
James Lentjies has a season ending broken ankle...horrific, i'd say Dillon Hunt instead
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@Stargazer said in North vs South:
South: Taylor, Coltman, ... Makalio (although his first province was - according to Wikipedia - Wairarapa-Bush, does Heartland count?)
Sorry, do you know where the 'rapa is? It ain't in the South Island!
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@Duluth Brett Cameron?
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@Machpants said in North vs South:
@Stargazer said in North vs South:
South: Taylor, Coltman, ... Makalio (although his first province was - according to Wikipedia - Wairarapa-Bush, does Heartland count?)
Sorry, do you know where the 'rapa is? It ain't in the South Island!
that was his point...first top div team was in the south but if Heartland is included then the 'rapa is his first team
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For North:
Hodgman on the bench at loosehead.
Rettalick isn't available. Goodhue to start. GCT is a bench option. Any other lock options? Not much depth.
ALB/Ioane is probably better than Laumape/ALB.
Robinson to start at six, Savea on the bench.
Black on the bench.
Must be a better option than Aso.
For South: Oli Jaeger is a tighthead not a loosehead.
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@Tim Savea on the bench? Is this another joke of yours?
Didn't Hodgman play for Canterbury first aswell?
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@Canes4life said in North vs South:
Didn't Hodgman play for Canterbury first aswell?
Yeah, Hodgman did. He replaces Jaeger.
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No love for the forgotten man, MMT.
