Best Test XI - POLL - Batsmen
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Choose your 4
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Nominate your batsmen.
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I'll kick things off.
Kane.
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Rossco.
Woulda been our best in any other era
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Crowe, rest in peace
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Chris Cairns.
Technically correct big hitter who was also a hell of a bowler
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Martin Donnelly
Picked for NZ at 19 after one first class game. Played three tests in England helped save the first test at Lords on debut.
War intervened commanded tanks throughout
Toured England again in 49 averaged 77 in the tests without a NO. Never played for NZ again but fashioned a remarkable record at FC Level in England (probably tougher than playing for NZ) Described by Wisden as the best left hander in the world.
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@Gunner said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I'll kick things off.
Kane.
No explanation required.2nd name on the sheet. Write it in biro now
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I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
@mariner4life will love this post
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
yeah righto. in that case i want Nathan Astle in the side. Averages slightly less, but scored more hundreds at a better clip. Had THAT 200. And can trundle the arm over
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
yeah righto. in that case i want Nathan Astle in the side. Averages slightly less, but scored more hundreds at a better clip. Had THAT 200. And can trundle the arm over
Good point. Let's put him in too. How about Hartland and Murray to open?
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@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
pithy
cricket isn't a team game, it's an individual game played by teams
and in a Best Ever you don't pick a guy on a hunch that he might be better with other players around him, in a position he didn't play for NZ.
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
pithy
cricket isn't a team game, it's an individual game played by teams
and in a Best Ever you don't pick a guy on a hunch that he might be better with other players around him, in a position he didn't play for NZ.
Apart from openers batting positions mean bugger all. Otherwise let's have polls for each batting positions then. And while we are at it, why pick Boult with Hadlee and Bond? They are all new ball bowlers. Surely by your logic we would have to pick a 'third'seamer.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
pithy
cricket isn't a team game, it's an individual game played by teams
and in a Best Ever you don't pick a guy on a hunch that he might be better with other players around him, in a position he didn't play for NZ.
Apart from openers batting positions mean bugger all. Otherwise let's have polls for each batting positions then. And while we are at it, why pick Boult with Hadlee and Bond? They are all new ball bowlers. Surely by your logic we would have to pick a 'third'seamer.
don't watch a lot of cricket?
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
pithy
cricket isn't a team game, it's an individual game played by teams
and in a Best Ever you don't pick a guy on a hunch that he might be better with other players around him, in a position he didn't play for NZ.
Apart from openers batting positions mean bugger all. Otherwise let's have polls for each batting positions then. And while we are at it, why pick Boult with Hadlee and Bond? They are all new ball bowlers. Surely by your logic we would have to pick a 'third'seamer.
don't watch a lot of cricket?
Got me there! What's cricket?
Serious question. Are you implying a player who bats at 3 will shit the bed if asked to bat at 6? Or am I missing something? Which is quite possible because one of my faults is not being able to read Mrs Crazy Horse's mind. Apparently.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but I would think about Fleming at five or six, and name him captain (NZ's best? Certainly since I have been watching cricket). I reckon he would do a hell of a lot better without the added pressure of carrying the lineup. Despite his trouble converting 50s into 100s, he was class. And one hell of a slip.
Yeah, nah.
Yeah, you could think about it, but nah he doesn't make it as a batsman.
Yeah, great captain, but nah because he doesn't make the side.
Yeah, he was one hell of a slip, but nah, being able to catch doesn't put him in best batsman contention.
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
pithy
cricket isn't a team game, it's an individual game played by teams
and in a Best Ever you don't pick a guy on a hunch that he might be better with other players around him, in a position he didn't play for NZ.
Apart from openers batting positions mean bugger all. Otherwise let's have polls for each batting positions then. And while we are at it, why pick Boult with Hadlee and Bond? They are all new ball bowlers. Surely by your logic we would have to pick a 'third'seamer.
don't watch a lot of cricket?
Got me there! What's cricket?
Serious question. Are you implying a player who bats at 3 will shit the bed if asked to bat at 6? Or am I missing something? Which is quite possible because one of my faults is not being able to read Mrs Crazy Horse's mind. Apparently.
yeah, i pretty much am. Guys who bat at 3 and guys who bat at 6 play very differently. Guys who bat at 4 play different to guys who bat at 3. 5 is different to 4 etc. It requires different strengths.
That's why you get guys with wildly different averages in different spots.
Now, left to his own devices, maybe Flem was 6 who was forced to bat 3. But we have zero evidence for it. And therefore he is either an option at 3 (where he's probably 3rd in line) or he's not in the side.
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John R Reid anyone? Before my time but his reputation put him up there with the best when we were mud.
And that Cape Town test post Tangiwai with the bandaged head.
Bowled a bit too.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
I actually thought that we weren't. That was kinda the rules. Might be in the "general" thread.
Balance, captaincy, all rounders, weren't supposed to enter into it. It was pure individual skill. Our eleven best players in their specialist positions.
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@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
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@booboo said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
John R Reid anyone? Before my time but his reputation put him up there with the best when we were mud.
And that Cape Town test post Tangiwai with the bandaged head.
Bowled a bit too.
No
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
you are going to need more than that to make this team these days (thanks to our current XI)
last shot is totally justified too
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@Snowy said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I thought we were picking a team. My bad.
I actually thought that we weren't. That was kinda the rules. Might be in the "general" thread.
Balance, captaincy, all rounders, weren't supposed to enter into it. It was pure individual skill. Our eleven best players in their specialist positions.
Didn't see those rules, but I thought it was frowned upon in these parts if we read the whole thread.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
I thought it was frowned upon in these parts if we read the whole thread.
We do have some strong traditions and they really shouldn't be broken. That is my bad.
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@booboo said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
And that Cape Town test post Tangiwai with the bandaged head.
That was Bert Sutcliffe.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
Now my head is going to explode. We are bending some rules but not others, but we won't know which rules are allowed to be bent until we try to bend one. Then it's wait to see if we get shot down for bending the rules.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
Now my head is going to explode. We are bending some rules but not others, but we won't know which rules are allowed to be bent until we try to bend one. Then it's wait to see if we get shot down for bending the rules.
That’s my point. Crowe and Taylor both batted at four for the vast majority of their careers. So by default one has to bat five in this team cos fuck NOT picking one of them for another of the other guys mentioned....
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@Crazy-Horse bend the rules all you want, but there is no amount of bending that gets Fleming in the side.
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@MN5 i so dearly want to not pick Taylor for all the times he has disappointed me over the years.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
I shouldn't have said "specialist" positions in that (other than openers) they are batsmen and can play anywhere in the order. Taylor and Crowe both get in.
I thought that we had - openers, batsmen, keeper, bowlers. The best in those categories. Not keeper / batsmen, etc.
This is like rugby - the rules seem to be open to "interpretation". The ref @Gunner might need to intervene before a fight breaks out.
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 i so dearly want to not pick Taylor for all the times he has disappointed me over the years.
He walks in and you know it.
I’m fucked off at Brian Lara for getting dismissed for fuck all as a mate and I were driving to the Basin specifically to watch him bat but that doesn’t mean he’s not a legend.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 i so dearly want to not pick Taylor for all the times he has disappointed me over the years.
He walks in and you know it.
I’m fucked off at Brian Lara for getting dismissed for fuck all as a mate and I were driving to the Basin specifically to watch him bat but that doesn’t mean he’s not a legend.
i know he walks in.
but i have seared in to my memory him walking off far too many times in white looking dejectedly at the bottom of his bat as he holes out to deep midwicket AGAIN
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
Now my head is going to explode. We are bending some rules but not others, but we won't know which rules are allowed to be bent until we try to bend one. Then it's wait to see if we get shot down for bending the rules.
That’s my point. Crowe and Taylor both batted at four for the vast majority of their careers. So by default one has to bat five in this team cos fuck NOT picking one of them for another of the other guys mentioned....
Both Marty and Rossco have very ordinary records batting at 5.
BMac however is exceptional there!
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 i so dearly want to not pick Taylor for all the times he has disappointed me over the years.
I feel the same way about John Parker.
In fact, fuck him!
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@Chris-B said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Crazy-Horse said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life yeah different roles, but I reckon if you can bat high in the order then you can bat lower down. Not necessarily the other way around. It's not like you are coming in at exactly the same time and circumstances each innings. Except for openers, but I always found them a bit weird. Like accountants.
We’re gonna have to bend the rules. Taylor and Crowe both walk in but either one of them bats five or we pick Fleming, Astle, McMillan or Coney.
Now my head is going to explode. We are bending some rules but not others, but we won't know which rules are allowed to be bent until we try to bend one. Then it's wait to see if we get shot down for bending the rules.
That’s my point. Crowe and Taylor both batted at four for the vast majority of their careers. So by default one has to bat five in this team cos fuck NOT picking one of them for another of the other guys mentioned....
Both Marty and Rossco have very ordinary records batting at 5.
BMac however is exceptional there!
done!
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 i so dearly want to not pick Taylor for all the times he has disappointed me over the years.
He walks in and you know it.
I’m fucked off at Brian Lara for getting dismissed for fuck all as a mate and I were driving to the Basin specifically to watch him bat but that doesn’t mean he’s not a legend.
i know he walks in.
but i have seared in to my memory him walking off far too many times in white looking dejectedly at the bottom of his bat as he holes out to deep midwicket AGAIN
I get annoyed at his tongue hanging out, the occasional ugly slog sweep and his sometimes utterly horrific running between the wickets.
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@Chris-B said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@booboo said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
And that Cape Town test post Tangiwai with the bandaged head.
That was Bert Sutcliffe.
Aah.
Well how about him too?
