Highlanders 2025
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@SouthernMann We've got to keep it one game at a time, but from a fans perspective it is tough not to get a little bit excited.
Two wins here, and we'll be firmly in the top three, with three very winnable games to follow. No easy games this season, so to win these five in a row will be tough, but I firmly believe if we can win the first two, it is game on.
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Injury update list:
Oliver Haig (Foot / 4 weeks )
Jonah Lowe (ACL / 2-3 weeks )
Cameron Millar (Concussion / 1-2 weeks)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens (Neck / 4-5 weeks)
Finn Hurley (Quad / 1-2weeks)
Folau Fakatava (Hamstring / 1-2 weeks)
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@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
Injury update list:
Oliver Haig (Foot / 4 weeks )
Jonah Lowe (ACL / 2-3 weeks )
Cameron Millar (Concussion / 1-2 weeks)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens (Neck / 4-5 weeks)
Finn Hurley (Quad / 1-2weeks)
Folau Fakatava (Hamstring / 1-2 weeks)
Hugh Renton (Groin / 1-2 weeks)Considering all this players are in the 23 with the expectation of Lowe, that’s massive boost mid season
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The halfback position is going to be a fascinating watch in the medium term. Fakatava, Hastie, Arscott, Lennox & Pledger playing for three spots. I don't think they'd bring Lennox down if there wasn't a long-term plan there, but I guess Hastie coming from nowhere might alter that?
Definitely think you'll see Arscott make way whatever happens... he'll be struggling for a kick with Otago this year, nevermind the Highlanders.
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
The halfback position is going to be a fascinating watch in the medium term. Fakatava, Hastie, Arscott, Lennox & Pledger playing for three spots. I don't think they'd bring Lennox down if there wasn't a long-term plan there, but I guess Hastie coming from nowhere might alter that?
Definitely think you'll see Arscott make way whatever happens... he'll be struggling for a kick with Otago this year, nevermind the Highlanders.
It’s definitely a positive. Seems that New Zealand has a huge amount of good young halfbacks at the moment at all 5 franchises.
Wasn’t someone on here saying that Otago and/or the Highlanders were trying to get Hastie out of his contract? That’s aged like milk. Still only 23 so he will be in the mix,
Pledger is a shoe in for the foreseeable future. Definitely in a good spot. Otago will have Hastie, Arscott and Pledger which is also a nice problem to have. Easing Pledger in, especially at his size, could be vital to his development. Looking forward to watching him shred up for the 20s.
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@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
The halfback position is going to be a fascinating watch in the medium term. Fakatava, Hastie, Arscott, Lennox & Pledger playing for three spots. I don't think they'd bring Lennox down if there wasn't a long-term plan there, but I guess Hastie coming from nowhere might alter that?
Definitely think you'll see Arscott make way whatever happens... he'll be struggling for a kick with Otago this year, nevermind the Highlanders.
Wasn’t someone on here saying that Otago and/or the Highlanders were trying to get Hastie out of his contract? That’s aged like milk. Still only 23 so he will be in the mix,
That was me! I don't know whether my source may have had the wrong halfback, because on the evidence of him getting 0 minutes in pre-season despite being fit, it might have actually been Arscott they wanted rid of.
It is also possible, that they did want rid of Hastie and got lucky... he's hardly been able to stay fit until now.
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@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
The halfback position is going to be a fascinating watch in the medium term. Fakatava, Hastie, Arscott, Lennox & Pledger playing for three spots. I don't think they'd bring Lennox down if there wasn't a long-term plan there, but I guess Hastie coming from nowhere might alter that?
Definitely think you'll see Arscott make way whatever happens... he'll be struggling for a kick with Otago this year, nevermind the Highlanders.
It’s definitely a positive. Seems that New Zealand has a huge amount of good young halfbacks at the moment at all 5 franchises.
Wasn’t someone on here saying that Otago and/or the Highlanders were trying to get Hastie out of his contract? That’s aged like milk. Still only 23 so he will be in the mix,
Pledger is a shoe in for the foreseeable future. Definitely in a good spot. Otago will have Hastie, Arscott and Pledger which is also a nice problem to have. Easing Pledger in, especially at his size, could be vital to his development. Looking forward to watching him shred up for the 20s.
Yeah was an interesting rumour to be throwing around about Hastie. He had a tough few years injury wise. Always had good pace and a good left boot. Given a three year contract from the start of of 24, he was our only contracted half at that stage for 2026 as well.
I'd be shocked if Fakatava and Arscott are around next year. We should get a clear indication by the middle of this year, when Tonga name their side for the mid-year internationals. I've been told he enjoys Dunedin, but his pragmatic around his All Blacks chances.
Pledger needs a contract next year. If we don't give it to him. Someone else will. Lennox offers plenty too.
I expect there will be some spots at
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10
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Outside backsIn terms of recruitment. Luckily with a settled top squad, we can have a future lens for any players we go after.
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@SouthernMann The fact Hastie is playing well is another damning inditement on that Otago coaching group which rated Arscott above him...
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann The fact Hastie is playing well is another damning inditement on that Otago coaching group which rated Arscott above him...
Yeah I never understood the constant selection of Arscott. He is a very safe player. Will never win you a game though. Hastie has skills Arscott can only dream of
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@SouthernMann Again, it is totally possible that having been able to get some proper conditioning, he is actually just living up to his potential now.
Folau supposedly signed an extension last year, but don't know whether he had an out clause if he didn't make the All Blacks.
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Based on my understanding of contracting we will probably loose DLB, Naeeta, Falefaga, Arscott, Lowe and Nareki this season with Talea, Fakatava and Sam Gilbert also off the books.
My assumption is that Fakatava and Gilbert both stay for another season. I think the excitement around JJ means a lot of players extend contacts for an additional season or two.
In terms of replacements Tengblad,, Hervey and Pledger seem shoe ins. Haven’t seen enough of Rangitura and Takaka to decide if they’ll fit in. But assume we’ll be after at the very least a 10 and an outside back from elsewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me if we try and grab an another young midfielder too given TUJ and Te Hiwi are off contract end of next season.
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@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:
@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
Injury update list:
Oliver Haig (Foot / 4 weeks )
Jonah Lowe (ACL / 2-3 weeks )
Cameron Millar (Concussion / 1-2 weeks)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens (Neck / 4-5 weeks)
Finn Hurley (Quad / 1-2weeks)
Folau Fakatava (Hamstring / 1-2 weeks)
Hugh Renton (Groin / 1-2 weeks)Considering all this players are in the 23 with the expectation of Lowe, that’s massive boost mid season
Lol how does Lowe still get contracts? He's spent more than half his career injured, same with TUJ I guess.
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@Canes4life you've got to look at the squad we had when we signed him, i went back and looked at the highlander threads and generally people were ok with it, i think hes been worse than he was when we signed him, length of contract the big thing...
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@Canes4life we were so desperate for outside backs in the 22/3 season I don’t blame the highlanders
He was a ‘big’ powerful winger who was willing to commit to three years in the south. Not many were willing to do that. So it made sense back then.
Then we attracted decent players that outshone him, and people started shutting on him.
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@Kiwiwomble @handa457 both fair points. Now you guys are stacked in the outsides so it will be interesting to see if he gets re-signed again after this year.
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@Canes4life ZERO chance...at least with us....surely
i dont know how stacked we are, gilbert still getting gametime when im sure we said preseason he was 3-4 choice at 15 and 2-3 choice at 12...dont even remember talking about him as a wing
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:
@Canes4life ZERO chance...at least with us....surely
i dont know how stacked we are, gilbert still getting gametime when im sure we said preseason he was 3-4 choice at 15 and 2-3 choice at 12...dont even remember talking about him as a wing
The thing with Gilbert is that he is our first choice goal kicker.
A young backline and a steady hand. Kept Gilbert around.
I think he is probably our third string fullback. Behind JRK and Hurley. They were probably a touch worried by the little fella.
With our younger more capable players getting time in the saddle. The need for Gilbert is going.
As for our 2025 specialist tackle bag holder Lowe. Thanks for your service.
There are a few options. Luckily, most will get to start at the bottom.
Where the team is at now, means we aren't having to recruit players into the starting side. We are recruiting young and bringing them through.
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@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
The thing with Gilbert is that he is our first choice goal kicker.
Indirectly, the return of JRK might help Cam Millar mount a case for a place back in the starting XV, because in a tight competition goal kicking is so important. How is Robinson off the kicking tee?
UPDATE: He used to kick for Ta$man, so clearly not useless... was even kicking from fullback when Willy Havili played 10, so he can't be too bad.
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
The thing with Gilbert is that he is our first choice goal kicker.
Indirectly, the return of JRK might help Cam Millar mount a case for a place back in the starting XV, because in a tight competition goal kicking is so important. How is Robinson off the kicking tee?
UPDATE: He used to kick for Ta$man, so clearly not useless... was even kicking from fullback when Willy Havili played 10, so he can't be too bad.
Millar v Robinson and the skillset they provide is an interesting conundrum. If the thought is that Robinson is the better playmaker. If they believe he will get the best out of his outsides and as a result we will score more tries, and be in a better position on the field. The play off between his goal kicking and Millar should not be part of the equation. If Robinson can knock over kicks from 45m and inside, and from the angle of 10 to 15m in from touch. Then he will do.
Then comes to later in the completion. When if the majority of the backs are fit, which one out of Millar and Gilbert make the bench. Or is there a world where neither or them make it? Where management roll the dice, hope Robinson plays 80, with Hurley as the in case of emergency cover.
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@handa457 said in Highlanders 2025:
Based on my understanding of contracting we will probably loose DLB, Naeeta, Falefaga, Arscott, Lowe and Nareki this season with Talea, Fakatava and Sam Gilbert also off the books.
My assumption is that Fakatava and Gilbert both stay for another season. I think the excitement around JJ means a lot of players extend contacts for an additional season or two.
In terms of replacements Tengblad,, Hervey and Pledger seem shoe ins. Haven’t seen enough of Rangitura and Takaka to decide if they’ll fit in. But assume we’ll be after at the very least a 10 and an outside back from elsewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me if we try and grab an another young midfielder too given TUJ and Te Hiwi are off contract end of next season.
I think Mitch Dunshea will also be off contract. He initially signed a two year deal. I reckon it will be touch and go whether he stays. If he does. Will be surprised if it is for more than a year.
Thing with Fakatava, if he only wants another year. I don't see the value in it. Especially if Hastie becomes the no1. Let him go and secure Pledger and Lennox.
Gilbert. I agree. Keep for one more year. But will.be up to him. He will see his place in the squad slipping down the pecking order. If I was him I'd be chasing game time.
