2018 New Zealand U20s

[Stargazer]

@billy-tell said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:

Love French rugby and their fans. They respect nz rugby and expect a physical game.

Aye? I've seen plenty of French fans moaning about these "violent Baby Blacks" on a French forum. And so much resentment as well. I think they're happier about beating a NZ team than about reaching the final.

[Stargazer]

Today's results below:

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9th place semis:
Ireland 29 - 45 Scotland
Georgia 24 - 22 Japan

5th place semis:
Wales 15 - 39 Argentina
Italy 15 - 44 Australia

Semi-Final
England 32 - 31 S Africa
New Zealand 7 - 16 France

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The Finals are on Sunday morning NZ time.

[98blueandgold]

Agree that really the better team won. We had no go forward and therefore backs looked poor, although they were poor in general. Some stars in that French team though. We really missed Telea'a and Fiaanganukus go forward today, backs just shovelled it.

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[antipodean]

One day a NZ U20 coach will select a front row for its scrummaging prowess first and foremost. And that front row will demand the other five keep their backs straight and push.

[Bovidae]

I hope the French senior team take some inspiration from their U20s and put up a better performance in Wellington. I want to see a real contest for the 80 mins, and not them hoisting the white flag in the 2nd half.

[antipodean]

@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:

Pfew, I was expecting Renton to be sent off for stomping. French were milking it. TMO involved; penalty only. His foot didn't touch the French head.

Hard to see how that was a penalty only. Looked deliberate and that should be a card.

[Stargazer]

@antipodean I didn't see a replay, but IIRC, the TMO looked at it off-screen. Obviously, the TMO had more angles, so he probably had a good view of Renton's foot made any contact with the French player and where. It didn't look good in real time, but I don't have to benefit of the TMO's footage. We'll see whether he gets cited or not.

Edit: Just saw this clip and it doesn't look good.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets cited, and the length of the possible suspension will probably depend on whether/where he hit the French player and any resulting injury.

[Toddy]

Two goes as well. Looks pretty filthy

[Nepia]

@stargazer What a dipshit, you can't do that in this day an age.

So this team was Philpott coached?

[Stargazer]

@nepia Yep!

[Bovidae]

IIRC the TMO said that Renton didn't connect with the head or neck, only the shoulder (joints was used in his description). Then they cut to the French player bleeding from the head.

[Chris B.]

There's something that should be cited.

Then the judiciary can decide whether it's intentional or accidental. If he's found guilty, I'd say 6-12 weeks.

[Stargazer]

@chris-b That's not how it works. The citing commissioner can only cite red cardable offences. Accidental offences are hardly ever red cardable, so won't get cited. In the case of stomping, I think it's hard to argue that it's accidental anyway; it's more likely to be reckless. That could reach the red card threshhold and get cited.

[Stargazer]

Highlights from the semi-finals:

Ireland v Scotland

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Georgia v Japan

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Wales v Argentina

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Italy v Australia

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England v South Africa

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New Zealand v France: still waiting for the highlights to be posted on YouTube.

[Chris B.]

@stargazer I think that is how it works - otherwise how did Squire escape?

The citing commissioner cites things that in his opinion reach the red card threshold - he's the policeman.

The judiciary then hold a hearing - they're the court.

[Bovidae]

Reading the Stuff article the injuries to Xavier Numia and Tevita Mafile'o will require more replacement props.

[Stargazer]

@chris-b It only reached the Judicial Committe because the Citing Commissioner got it wrong. He thought it was red-cardable and the JC didn't agree.

[Chris B.]

@stargazer That's what I'm saying.

The process is very much like the civil court system. The citing commissioner acts like the police and "brings charges" i.e. things he thinks meet the red card threshold.

Then there's a hearing and players can plead guilty or not guilty. If they plead"not guilty", they get to defend their actions and the JC either agree with the commissioner or agree with the player (as in Squire's case).

In this case, that footage looks pretty damning, but it's possible e.g. that Renton has caught his foot on the French player and stumbled onto him rather than stamping him - and maybe there will be footage from another angle that might support that case. Or maybe Renton has been a dirty bastard who will get deservedly banned.