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From his resignation letter
"One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies."
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Well Styx goes over why this go-fund me is doomed for failure.
- Will probably be shutdown for 'muh racism'
- $1,000,000,000 isn't 1 Billion after tax and the Go-Fund Me cut
- With Democrats controlling the house there is no guarantee that this money would even go toward the wall
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@no-quarter said in US Politics:
@rembrandt said in US Politics:
More than doubled in less than a day.
$2.5million raised in 3 days
This guy will be stoked!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/20/after-shooting-suspects-reign-terror-california-sheriff-blames-states-sanctuary-law/?utm_term=.5808f4e8585d -
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
Should be noted that Obama had 4 SoDs, 3 of whom heavily criticised him.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
Should be noted that Obama had 4 SoDs, 3 of whom heavily criticised him.
That was my next question. Is it isolated ro DJT, or is this a common trend?
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@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him.I have criticised Trump, you have never praised him. So your comparison is faulty from the start.
And I said I DIDNT know the turnover rate. I know a lot more now because I looked into it and read some info on it. Obama got through a lot of staff, so did Bush, seems to be part of the territory. And if the sole reason you think the media has raised the profile of these departures is because of supposed thinly veiled criticism.. I have a bridge to sell you.You and many others have just been played by the MSM yet again.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him.I have criticised Trump, you have never praised him. So your comparison is faulty from the start.
And I said I DIDNT know the turnover rate. I know a lot more now because I looked into it and read some info on it. Obama got through a lot of staff, so did Bush, seems to be part of the territory. And if the sole reason you think the media has raised the profile of these departures is because of supposed thinly veiled criticism.. I have a bridge to sell you.You and many others have just been played by the MSM yet again.
not really though, the statement from mattis is his own. it's got nothing to do with the media, just as trump's idiotic tweets have nothing to do with the media.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him.I have criticised Trump, you have never praised him. So your comparison is faulty from the start.
And I said I DIDNT know the turnover rate. I know a lot more now because I looked into it and read some info on it. Obama got through a lot of staff, so did Bush, seems to be part of the territory. And if the sole reason you think the media has raised the profile of these departures is because of supposed thinly veiled criticism.. I have a bridge to sell you.You and many others have just been played by the MSM yet again.
not really though, the statement from mattis is his own. it's got nothing to do with the media, just as trump's idiotic tweets have nothing to do with the media.
Ever read statements form departing people under Obama? Or are you just assuming they didnt make any?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him.I have criticised Trump, you have never praised him. So your comparison is faulty from the start.
And I said I DIDNT know the turnover rate. I know a lot more now because I looked into it and read some info on it. Obama got through a lot of staff, so did Bush, seems to be part of the territory. And if the sole reason you think the media has raised the profile of these departures is because of supposed thinly veiled criticism.. I have a bridge to sell you.You and many others have just been played by the MSM yet again.
not really though, the statement from mattis is his own. it's got nothing to do with the media, just as trump's idiotic tweets have nothing to do with the media.
Ever read statements form departing people under Obama? Or are you just assuming they didnt make any?
In the history of TSF I doubt there has been a single other instance in which a pres losing a SoD had been brought up or mentioned. As mentioned, Obama had 4, 3 of whom slagged him off.
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@booboo
Defense Secretary James Mattis wanted us to stay in Paris accord.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted us to stay in the Iran deal.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted less pressure on NATO.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted to keep soldiers in Syria.
Trump said no.Globalists vs Nationalists (same goes for Tillerson)
Odd how many liberals aren't applauding this pull out from foreign wars isn't it.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@booboo
Defense Secretary James Mattis wanted us to stay in Paris accord.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted us to stay in the Iran deal.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted less pressure on NATO.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted to keep soldiers in Syria.
Trump said no.Globalists vs Nationalists (same goes for Tillerson)
Odd how many liberals aren't applauding this pull out from foreign wars isn't it.
who is 'us' frank? are you american or just copy and pasting?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
(Deep breath)
Can anyone tell me why the current POTUS can not possibly employ anyone in position of power who wants to stay and do the job?
Or am I missing something?
nobody likes having an irrational fool as a boss, who will criticise them in public if they disagree with him in any way, and blame everyone but himself for things going wrong.
when you take into account that it is largely extremely committed people we are talking about (to have got that far), and largely their dream jobs that they are walking away from - it paints a pretty ugly picture.
the nature of the jobs does mean that there will always be someone less able and experienced but plenty ambitious further down willing to take it on. and that's a concern - anyone willing to just toe the trump line rather than do the job to the best of their ability will be more successful, but sycophants don't make for a great organisation.Well that would be the view of someone who doesnt like Trump no matter what.
I think it more likely that every president gets through staff at a rate of knots, but it is never reported as breathlessly by the media. Do any of us actually know how high the turnover under Obama and Bush was? I didnt . Was never really talked about, because the media didnt make a huge fuss. Trump however... different story, now every single resignation is poured over and amplified. Who actually cares? I am sure his supporters dont and I am sure his detractors do, not because they actually care, but because it gives them a chance to paint Trump as a horrible perspon.well that would be the attitude of someone who will defend trump no matter what... you explicitly state that you don't know the turnover rate of others, but you assume that they had the same issue - because your mind is already made up.
when someone like mattis resigns, and writes a letter that is a thinly veiled criticism of trump alienating their allies, and mcgurk goes too, it is news.
trump is way out on his own in terms of publicly slagging people off. typically those are his own words, that he chooses to tweet - nothing to do with the 'evil fake news media' at all. no misquotes, nothing out of context. all him.I have criticised Trump, you have never praised him. So your comparison is faulty from the start.
And I said I DIDNT know the turnover rate. I know a lot more now because I looked into it and read some info on it. Obama got through a lot of staff, so did Bush, seems to be part of the territory. And if the sole reason you think the media has raised the profile of these departures is because of supposed thinly veiled criticism.. I have a bridge to sell you.You and many others have just been played by the MSM yet again.
not really though, the statement from mattis is his own. it's got nothing to do with the media, just as trump's idiotic tweets have nothing to do with the media.
Ever read statements form departing people under Obama? Or are you just assuming they didnt make any?
feel free to post them to in support of your whatabouttery.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@booboo
Defense Secretary James Mattis wanted us to stay in Paris accord.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted us to stay in the Iran deal.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted less pressure on NATO.
Trump said no.Mattis wanted to keep soldiers in Syria.
Trump said no.Globalists vs Nationalists (same goes for Tillerson)
Odd how many liberals aren't applauding this pull out from foreign wars isn't it.
This Liberal is.
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