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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
Dear God, O'Brien is insufferable as an interviewer, just no interest in any answers?
It's bizzare, is he paid to be a complete piston wristed gibbon or is he just so EU possessed that he can't consider an alternative point of view?That's shocking. What a waste of everyone's time. When these gotcha interviews don't go the way they they planned, they can do nothing but resort to insults. Unprofessional and pathetic.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
Dear God, O'Brien is insufferable as an interviewer, just no interest in any answers?
It's bizzare, is he paid to be a complete piston wristed gibbon or is he just so EU possessed that he can't consider an alternative point of view?@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
Dear God, O'Brien is insufferable as an interviewer, just no interest in any answers?
It's bizzare, is he paid to be a complete piston wristed gibbon or is he just so EU possessed that he can't consider an alternative point of view?What the....
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
Dear God, O'Brien is insufferable as an interviewer, just no interest in any answers?
It's bizzare, is he paid to be a complete piston wristed gibbon or is he just so EU possessed that he can't consider an alternative point of view?You can see why that's a phone interview. In real life he'd get thumped. Rude prick.
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Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
Wait.. what?
You are basing all that on polling?Cause polls can be trusted since?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
Wait.. what?
You are basing all that on polling?Cause polls can be trusted since?
Wait ... what?
You are saying that people shouldn't comment on polls?
I am not stating anything as fact. I am pointing out what yougov polls, which are widely listened to in both governement and media are stating.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
Wait.. what?
You are basing all that on polling?Cause polls can be trusted since?
Wait ... what?
You are saying that people shouldn't comment on polls?
I am not stating anything as fact. I am pointing out what yougov polls, which are widely listened to in both governement and media are stating.
You said that if opinion polls have changed is it still democratic didnt you? Democracy does not hinge on opinion polls, especially ones that already got it wrong.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
Wait.. what?
You are basing all that on polling?Cause polls can be trusted since?
Wait ... what?
You are saying that people shouldn't comment on polls?
I am not stating anything as fact. I am pointing out what yougov polls, which are widely listened to in both governement and media are stating.
You said that if opinion polls have changed is it still democratic didnt you? Democracy does not hinge on opinion polls, especially ones that already got it wrong.
That's a parliamentary decision. I asked a question, as I'm interested in people's thoughts on the issue, hence posting. If you think that poll's are baseless, then thats fine. But do you think all polls should be? What if it had swung to 90/10? Are poll's still baseless then?
I can see both sides. First and foremost, democracy should be upheld. However this situation is huge, with far reaching consequences for a lot of people. There are a lot of people who are strongly strongly against leave, and have already faced some economic consequences because of it. They read these polls, and make no mistake these gaps are very wide in favour of the Remain side, you can't blame them for kicking up a stink can you?
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Latest yougov polls make for interesting reading.
Remain / Leave - 56/44
Remain / No Deal - 59/41
Remain / Mays Deal - 65/35Poses an interesting point now about democracy. UK voted to leave in 2016, and leave it must. But in 2018, if opinion polls have changed, is it still democratic? Was an article in the Guardian the other day too, about how the demographic changes on a daily basis due to older people passing on and younger people joining the voting ranks. Using the averages from the vote, the UK would have naturally swung to Remain.
I really can't see any other result other than another referendum. If this happens, it's a massive watershed moment in British politics, British democracy and the country as a whole.
We will see.
Wait.. what?
You are basing all that on polling?Cause polls can be trusted since?
Wait ... what?
You are saying that people shouldn't comment on polls?
I am not stating anything as fact. I am pointing out what yougov polls, which are widely listened to in both governement and media are stating.
You said that if opinion polls have changed is it still democratic didnt you? Democracy does not hinge on opinion polls, especially ones that already got it wrong.
That's a parliamentary decision. I asked a question, as I'm interested in people's thoughts on the issue, hence posting. If you think that poll's are baseless, then thats fine. But do you think all polls should be? What if it had swung to 90/10? Are poll's still baseless then?
I can see both sides. First and foremost, democracy should be upheld. However this situation is huge, with far reaching consequences for a lot of people. There are a lot of people who are strongly strongly against leave, and have already faced some economic consequences because of it. They read these polls, and make no mistake these gaps are very wide in favour of the Remain side, you can't blame them for kicking up a stink can you?
You feel strongly in democracy however not in this case because is it is a big deal and people are angry?
I think differently
I feel strongly about democracy always.Just out of curiosity if remamin wins a second referendum and then polls show that leave has taken the lead.. would the UK need a 3rd one? How long exactly would these polls be allowed to dictate referendums?
And nope, I don't believe the polls, they are open to corruption and bias. And that doesn't even take into account the mistakes they have been proven to have made.
As for kicking up a stink ... you wont have have seen anything yet if they cancel Brexit.
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And in the poll you quoted.. you left out that less than half of Brits support a second referendum.... if you are going to rely on polls so heavily to support a 2nd referendum.. wouldn't you need over 50% support for a 2nd referendum in that poll?
The UK is a mess, mostly because they let remainers negotiate a leave. And the EU are fluffybunnies.
Is there even time for a second referendum? Wouldnt that require a extension that the EU has to agree to? And they wont because of the EU elections in May?
And what would the question even be? It couldnt be the same as the first one without it being a mockery.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
You feel strongly in democracy however not in this case because is it is a big deal and people are angry?
I think differently
I feel strongly about democracy always.And nope, I don't believe the polls, they are open to corruption and bias. And that doesn't even take into account the mistakes they have been proven to have made.
As for kicking up a stink ... you wont have have seen anything yet if they cancel Brexit.
No, I am just prepared to step back and look at the view from the other side. If you want my personal view, I believe Brexit should go ahead as that is what democracy voted for. However, May's deal and No-deal are both pretty shithouse for UK, so a realistic option needs to found. What that is, I have no clue.
Lets say Jacinda goes all Corbyn and decides all large growth areas in NZ are ruining the greater country and puts a 10% annual tax on your house value in Tauranga. This gets voted in 52-48. Subsequently, the implementation causes all sorts of stink, and 3 months out, the polls which Jacinda has based many things on are showing the country is now 56-44 against the idea. What would you think then? I assure you, many Remoaners are thinking exactly like this.
A massive stink is going to be kicked up regardless. I think that's the point you are missing. The only reason it hasn't got proper nasty yet, is that the remoaners think they currently have a pretty good chance of getting what they want. I have no fear of shit being kicked up of a Brexit cancellation, as I think a shitty Brexit will be it's equal, if not worse.
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