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@Victor-Meldrew blimey.
That ain’t the London I work in.
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Senior execs from Insurance, banking software, outsourcing and mgmnt consulting plus a couple of of work colleagues after a few beers. Quite passionate views
As I said, not scientific and many be not too representative, But was struck by the wide difference in viewpoint.
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@Victor-Meldrew yeah I’m not denying it, I’m just amazed!
Couldn’t be more opposite where I work
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
yeah I’m not denying it, I’m just amazed!
So was I. Depth of division really struck me.
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Super interesting, I'm not surprised by that divide at all, I see it all the time living in rural Hertfordshire but commuting into London for work. That tweet someone posted above with a Londoner looking down on people from "Shitbury on the Wold" isn't satire in my experience, it's literally how it is. You cannot even suggest to most people from London that uncontrolled immigration in poorer parts of the UK might have negative consequences for local people. You are immediately a racist.
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You cannot even suggest to most people from London that uncontrolled immigration in poorer parts of the UK might have negative consequences for local people. You are immediately a racist.
Goes all the way to the top, sadly. Big disconnect which has caused huge problems.
When a voter told PM Gordon Brown that the 40% population increase in Peterborough from EU immigration was causing problems with school places, doctors etc, he called her "a bigoted old white women". Apparently Brown was shocked by the referendum result....
There's a really big divide - dunno how it's going to be bridged.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
Goes all the way to the top, sadly. Big disconnect which has caused huge problems.
This kind of pig ignorance to national sentiment and electoral arithmetic (from both sides at various times over the past 20 years) does seem a particularly British trait. People like Cummings/Crosby/Campbell are treated like witch doctors because they have access to polling numbers and use does seem somewhat naive.
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Yeah, there has been a change since the late 90's with politicians quite happy to spin, lie, smear opponents and put sections of the electorate against each other for political gain. So many current MPs have never had a proper job outside of politics, live in a tribal echo chamber and think their local activists are the electorate.
Read a piece the other day which argued Brexit is a blessing in that it's highlighted that the British political establishment just isn't fit for purpose and people finally know it.
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Reality in the UK is that London is a global services powerhouse, whilst the rest of the country is not. This naturally creates quite a divide between the thinking of the two different sets.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, as long as the political establishment work in synch, to do what is best for all.
Which is clearly what they have not been doing. There is lots of propaganda floating around at the moment - I've had Lib Dem's, Labour, UKIP and Tory flyers through my mailbox in the last 6 weeks. Last Saturday I had some old Irish bloke come around in a Conservatives info-gather and he asked me my thoughts on Boris.
He seemed annoyed when I said I liked Boris, but I said I had no interest in getting into a political debate with him. And this was the local Conservatives.
Go figure.
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Any Irish left on here who can offer on-the-ground thoughts on Varadkar?
He seems massively out of touch with what the UK voters think.
I can't even figure out his positions on everything - it just seems to pour scorn on every single thing that comes out of the UK and that's about it. Surely his number 1 priority should be peace across Ireland and he should be doing his best to work with Boris to come up with a workable solution?
Where does a hard Brexit (no-deal) leave the border?
What am I missing?
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Any Irish left on here who can offer on-the-ground thoughts on Varadkar?
He seems massively out of touch with what the UK voters think.
I can't even figure out his positions on everything - it just seems to pour scorn on every single thing that comes out of the UK and that's about it. Surely his number 1 priority should be peace across Ireland and he should be doing his best to work with Boris to come up with a workable solution?
Where does a hard Brexit (no-deal) leave the border?
What am I missing?
I doubt theres any Irish posters here after the last week.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Any Irish left on here who can offer on-the-ground thoughts on Varadkar?
He seems massively out of touch with what the UK voters think.
I can't even figure out his positions on everything - it just seems to pour scorn on every single thing that comes out of the UK and that's about it. Surely his number 1 priority should be peace across Ireland and he should be doing his best to work with Boris to come up with a workable solution?
Where does a hard Brexit (no-deal) leave the border?
What am I missing?
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This would be my favourite outcome.
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Not sure if anyone's interested but take down of Supreme Court dallying: https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/The-unconstitutionality-of-the-Supreme-Courts-prorogation-judgment.pdf
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
It's hard to know what is the truth and what is bullshit anymore.
It's a clear a lot of people (media, MP's amongst others) have no trust in Boris and are looking at all avenues and then trying to figure out what he may be trying to do.
Parliament is truly dysfunctional. BJ has presented a deal which has a majority in HOC, something May never achieved. It is a negotiating position designed to allow for EU pushback. Any argument that he wasn't looking for a deal is looking bankrupt.
But Benn (Surrender) Bill means EU can adopt 'he who turns and runs away lives to fight another day' tactics!! Net effect to make a deal harder.
Of course, there is a view that, behind all the pretence to 'No Deal', objectors know that by empowering EU (confident its bluff can't be called) only to offer terms which no Sovereign state would accept, repeated delays will lead to Brexit collapsing.
In particular, EU is trying to hobble UK for future trade deals by trying to blackmail it into leaving NI behind in EUCM.
Would love to see EU position IF it had to face up to No Deal actually happening!
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@pakman Haven't read it yet but considering it's only a Blair era institution and reading this recent article it sounds incredibly disturbing of something that is supposed to be a 'supreme court'.
Sad day for British Law, which has historically been held in very high regard.
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