Coronavirus - Overall
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@R-L in this age of rampant social media you reckon someone would say something
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From The Australian:
Race to find cruise passengers
"Health officials are trying to contact 2700 returned cruise ship passengers after three cases of COVID-19 were confirmed on their voyage."
Must have been one of those ships without one of those captain thingys, dressed in a snazzy uniform with shiny buttons. The sort of responsible fella who would ring up in advance and tell someone in authority "I'm returning near 3,000 of your very own fairly average citizens this afternoon, can you have a dozen or so health people there to check them ashore?"
This thing is like herding cats.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
From The Australian:
Race to find cruise passengers
"Health officials are trying to contact 2700 returned cruise ship passengers after three cases of COVID-19 were confirmed on their voyage."
Must have been one of those ships without one of those captain thingys, dressed in a snazzy uniform with shiny buttons. The sort of responsible fella who would ring up in advance and tell someone in authority "I'm returning near 3,000 of your very own fairly average citizens this afternoon, can you have a dozen or so health people there to check them ashore?"
This thing is like herding cats.
I'll call it now - this will haunt the coalition for decades.
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@R-L said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Why aren't we talking about Russia... What's going on there 🧐
I pointed them out last week, I see they are having a spike in Pneumonia cases.
Sure....
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People are losing their incomes. If the choice for hungry Chinese comes down to food on the table or mobile phone service, I suspect many will opt for “cutting the cable” so to speak. Or they’ll go black market. Chinese people know a thing or two about media piracy. But you never know.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
We have a conspiracy theory thread...
Maybe...of course it wasn't that long ago calling the WHO out for being full of it and being super concerned about coronavirus was considered a conspiracy theory too. China's booted out foreign journalists, early whistle-blowers have disappeared or died...despite not being in the danger demographic, and their ideology has a proven track record of murdering swathes of people for the greater good.
It just doesn't look right.
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
We have a conspiracy theory thread...
Maybe...of course it wasn't that long ago calling the WHO out for being full of it and being super concerned about coronavirus was considered a conspiracy theory too. China's booted out foreign journalists, early whistle-blowers have disappeared or died...despite not being in the danger demographic, and their ideology has a proven track record of murdering swathes of people for the greater good.
It just doesn't look right.
Not saying they haven't fudged their figures, but they were probably able to flatten their curve because of the intense lockdown they undertook. Taiwan Singapore and South Korea all undertook (and have ongoing) similar heavy restrictions and it is no coincidence that these nations have managed coronavirus the best. Germany similarly has had their efficiency and discipline result in modest numbers. Contrast that with Italy who but accounts had almost 50% of the population ignoring the lockdown. You can hunt about for the conspiracy theory or you can look at the evidence in front of you and form a more logical conclusion.
I was talking to one of my staff, her parents are in China. She said they are starting to relax restrictions where they live (not Hubei) but her parents still choose to heavily limit their movement outside. Its anecdotal, and it's one couple. But it ties in with the observations of the Kiwi living in China who wrote that piece back in the thread. Yes the government is authoritarian, but the people do what they are told which is half the battle. And they are not shy about laying into someone who they feel is not holding up to their part of the deal of protecting the entire community.
I talked to my folks today. They walked past a cafe on Oriental Parade. It was jammed full of punters. Nano girl was on TV today and mentioned that judging from the crowds out in the restaurants and bars in Ponsonby last night it would appear we are not taking self isolation or distance safety very seriously. None of this is any more than anecdotal evidence. But it paints a picture that isn't hard to accept
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Yep drove past local RSL and table full of people drinking schooners and playing the pokies. Look at Bondi Beach, Australia has no hope of relying on self enforced social distancing. The Govt will eventually have to order a lock down as the public won't do it themselves.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Yep drove past local RSL and table full of people drinking schooners and playing the pokies. Look at Bondi Beach, Australia has no hope of relying on self enforced social distancing. The Govt will eventually have to order a lock down as the public won't do it themselves.
I saw that Bondi photo. Sydney is the coronavirus epicentre of Australia isn't it? I don't know why 🤦♂️🤷♂️
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@Nevorian said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Siam here goes some of the TP leaving NZ...
I hope the baggage handlers managed to lose this one
Haaaa , can you imagine them waiting at the carousel then going nuts at some poor foreign staffer, while some Auckland baggage handler is 8 Lion Reds deep while looking at his new stash of 100 rolls in his living room.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Nevorian said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Siam here goes some of the TP leaving NZ...
I hope the baggage handlers managed to lose this one
Haaaa , can you imagine them waiting at the carousel then going nuts at some poor foreign staffer, while some Auckland baggage handler is 8 Lion Reds deep while looking at his new stash of 100 rolls in his living room.
haha good image but I would have faith in our baggage handlers to distribute it to those who needed. I could imagine them though having to describe the lost luggage or trying to claim on their travel insurance
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Not saying they haven't fudged their figures, but they were probably able to flatten their curve because of the intense lockdown they undertook. Taiwan Singapore and South Korea all undertook (and have ongoing) similar heavy restrictions and it is no coincidence that these nations have managed coronavirus the best. Germany similarly has had their efficiency and discipline result in modest numbers.
There was an interesting piece I read which suggested testing was being done in different ways which is having a big impact on stats - i.e. Germany having 19k cases but only 91 deaths is possibly due to their identifying more cases than other countries, but having a lower real infection rate than, say, Holland who have 3k identified cases but 106 deaths.
There was an analysis of the scientific data the UK released yesterday and one area being investigated is whether up to 23m people in the UK may have, or have had, Covid-19 without realizing it. Covid-19 may be far more lethal than thought, but only to a smaller part of the population.
Currently an anti-body test - to see if people have been infected without any symptoms showing - has been developed and is being tested. The medical folks here have repeatedly said this is the big game changer in understanding the disease.
Pure conjecture here, but I wonder if testing in some countries has been concentrated on sampling people overall to gain data on numbers who are infected but not showing symptoms, as understanding the thing is now more important now we can't contain it.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Ducked to Sainsbury's yesterday. Only beer left that you can buy by the case is Corona. Stacks of it! And well priced too.
I think one of the most worrying things to come out of all this is how thick most of society is.
Anyone wanna buy toilet paper?
Only been used once, right?
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Just trying to see if this is legitimate...because man China's infection graph looks as dodgy as Swedens
Hit a mate up to look into this. Zeng is anti CCP but pro Chinese culture. The data she is showing is legit and starting to get noticed outside of the great firewall so Chinese state media should soon be commenting on it. Could very well be zombie accounts (as in fake accounts...not actual zombies in this apocalypse...yet) rather than actual accounts. China is apparently going on the propaganda offensive so hard now because more and more Chinese are getting through that firewall so they need to maintain their narrative.