Coronavirus - Overall
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@Catogrande I worked in a male dominated mining town in the late 1980s. The biggest night in town for one of the pubs was not Friday or Saturday night but actually Monday night - it was shift change day for the nursing staff at the local hospital
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Is it a smart move for BJ's pregnant partner to join BJ wherever he is?
Especially if there's a possibility she may drop during his convalescence?I really wouldn't have a clue. I'd imagine their doctors would, though.
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A couple of podcasts I listened to today.
From ABC Listen App a programme called "Rear Vision"
- "SARS, Ebola and now Covid-19 - world health and the role of the W.H.O." https://abclisten.page.link/EvaNTNxb78xtrGEj9. Available now through the ABC listen App - http://bit.ly/ABCradioApp
About the history and politics of WHO. One for @Baron-Silas-Greenback maybe?
- "SARS and MERS - what did the earlier epidemics teach us?" https://abclisten.page.link/PHJYtMCFWcRGKG6m7. Available now through the ABC listen App - http://bit.ly/ABCradioApp
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp Smoooth...
How about - "do you have a ventilator as you took my breath away."
Is that how you lure you're victims?..i saw you more as a 'help me load this couch into my van i have a broken arm' type of guy...
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@taniwharugby Using antibody tests they estimated that, in a heavily affected part of Germany, 14% of the population had been infected and developed antibodies against covid19.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Worth checking in on Sweden. Yes, the numbers are larger than their Scandinavian neighbours.
Actually the cases per million is not that different (so far)
Norway - 1,211 (cases per million)
Denmark - 1,091
Sweden - 1,084But you are a lot more likely to die in Sweden for some reason
Sweden - 91 (deaths per million)
Denmark - 49
Norway - 25 -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Tim translated?
@Tim what he said
Edit: damn boobooed myself. Didn't see Tim's reply
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Worth checking in on Sweden. Yes, the numbers are larger than their Scandinavian neighbours.
Actually the cases per million is not that different (so far)
Norway - 1,211 (cases per million)
Denmark - 1,091
Sweden - 1,084But you are a lot more likely to die in Sweden for some reason
Sweden - 91 (deaths per million)
Denmark - 49
Norway - 25Good graphs. Sweden has twice population of Norway and of Denmark. Norway closed borders early and followed NZ like strategy. But can't reopen borders as no herd immunity.
Sweden looks to me to be past peak. And has kept schools, pubs and restaurants open (table service only) so is shooting for herd immunity.
IMO Sweden will come out of this better.
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Well, there's definitely a growing movement / school of thought around Labour having gone too hard, too soon. The 'Jacinda is a bleeding heart' at the expense of the economy insinuations are mounting, that kind of thing. Our response is being compared to Australias' which after a rough start has flattened the curve whilst not paralyising their economy to the same extent as we have. What Qantas has done as compared to Air NZ is an interesting sub-set which in some ways compares to each nations' governmental response.
I'm really on the fence.
There was always going to be an example or handful of examples of nations who found - either through good luck or good management - a better balance between economic ruin and death rate than others. Perhaps Australia may end up being one of these. And all others were going to be compared to these countries. Easy in hindsight of course; there's no playbook for this kind of event. So it's hard to criticise the Govt for going hard, early as a low death rate is commendable. But at what cost?
As it stands we have five deaths and - thus far - all among the elderly. So perhaps 20 families are mourning the (somewhat arguably) premature loss of a loved one. None of us wants that, and don't get me wrong it saddens me greatly. It's horrific that these loved family members are to a large degree dying alone also. But meanwhile, thousands of NZ families are facing financial hardship and in order to keep the death rate this low. What is the cost of this circumstance? Financial ruin for many, no doubt. A lower standard of living for many more. More people who can't afford to go to their GP and therefore a greater strain on the health sysytem in years to come? Likely. An increase in suicides? You'd hate to think so, but how can this not be a legitimate repercussion of some of the aforementioned factors.
When the Sky Tower was built, the contractor factored into their costs a number of accidents and deaths. Realistically, no matter how much you mitigate against accidents and death, on a project of that scale, it's highly unlikely you'll emerge unscathed. Ultimately there was one death, which is horrible of course. Could the Govt have looked at this pandemic along these lines? Could they (did they?) model based on a lesser lockdown (say level 3) and higher death rate (say 100 or 200 people, presumably predominantly elderly)? Was there even time for this?
I think what we're going to end up with - with the benefit of hindsight - is a drastic backlash against the Govt if the death rate remains low when all is said and done, but we're in recession and a large proportion of the general population is facing signficantly worse financial cirsumstance than pre-lockdown. Australia - and others - may well be in a far better economic position with a similar per capita death rate and some very difficult questions will need to be answered.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Worth checking in on Sweden. Yes, the numbers are larger than their Scandinavian neighbours.
Actually the cases per million is not that different (so far)
Norway - 1,211 (cases per million)
Denmark - 1,091
Sweden - 1,084But you are a lot more likely to die in Sweden for some reason
Sweden - 91 (deaths per million)
Denmark - 49
Norway - 25Good graphs. Sweden has twice population of Norway and of Denmark. Norway closed borders early and followed NZ like strategy. But can't reopen borders as no herd immunity.
Sweden looks to me to be past peak. And has kept schools, pubs and restaurants open (table service only) so is shooting for herd immunity.
IMO Sweden will come out of this better.
Thank goodness someone tried this, otherwise we would have been stuck listening to the moronic argument that we were destined to be like Italy if we didn't shut down our entire economy
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@shark Good post, but sadly I think the backlash will be minimal because the media has totally bought into the lockdown, and convinced most people that blind acceptance of govt control is a virtue.
I have stated for quite awhile that the govt panicked, it basically skipped stage 3, and went straight to 4. If you look at the criteria , we should never have left 3