Coronavirus - Overall
-
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I take a different view to you guys. They’re playing up the child welfare thing on the premise that they didn’t have sufficient child care cover if they went down with the virus. It’s a very emotional argument, looking after your kid’s welfare. We’d all be all over that, but come on. One of the most powerful men in the country can’t get child care. Really?
Taking the emotion out of it, was the journey itself that bad? Not really. A bit something and nothing. But the fact is he is now perceived to be of the view the rules don’t apply to him. His actions were either stupid or arrogant in times where the Government can well do without either. His actions and the subsequent sweeping under the carpet have made this the issue of the day when there are far more important things.
Fuck him. Twat.
Cummings is staying.
The purported breach of regulations is debatable, and the way he self isolated once in Durham seems in line with guidance. The guidance always encouraged sensible judgement being applied, a concept the UK press can't or, more likely, doesn't want to take on board. On any rational analysis the drive to his relatives did not put the public at risk.
On the bigger point, the reason this story has been so massively overdone is that the Liberal Left, rather than accepting that the Brexit referendum delivered a clear democratic result (unlike MANY elections round the world), finds it easier to delude themselves that DomCum somehow perverted the result. So now they are all over him like flies on a bucket of shit.
Meanwhile, the Funday Times has four page spread explaining that with hindsight, and all things being equal, lives could have been saved by locking down earlier. A bit like an investment advisor telling you that with hindsight your broker ought to have sold your equity portfolio in February.
The outgoing President of the Royal Society was a breath of fresh air on Marr Show this morning. Went downhill from there, though.
On Thursday the Government has to update the nation on lockdown. I can only hope that sense prevails and we move to level 3.
-
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage I don't like journalism as currently practised by the majority, or certainly the noisy majority. But what grates more is when some halfwit provides them with a casus belli and provides some measure of justification.
Agreed.
-
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage Cummings isn't even a minister.
Not even an elected official.
-
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I take a different view to you guys. They’re playing up the child welfare thing on the premise that they didn’t have sufficient child care cover if they went down with the virus. It’s a very emotional argument, looking after your kid’s welfare. We’d all be all over that, but come on. One of the most powerful men in the country can’t get child care. Really?
Taking the emotion out of it, was the journey itself that bad? Not really. A bit something and nothing. But the fact is he is now perceived to be of the view the rules don’t apply to him. His actions were either stupid or arrogant in times where the Government can well do without either. His actions and the subsequent sweeping under the carpet have made this the issue of the day when there are far more important things.
Fuck him. Twat.
Cummings is staying...
Possibly. Probably even. I'd guess though that if he does go he will do a Mandelson and be redeemed a few months later. That's if he still wants to be a part of it all.
I must say that I really don't like the idea of non-elected people like him and Campbell before him having the degree of power that they do. Influence is one thing, power is another.
-
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.
Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Here's the guidance on living with kids if you have coronavirus and isolating.
Seems pretty clear to me. If I had concerns my wife and I had Covid and had a 4 year old kid, I'd do my best to care for my family.
-
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So why wouldn't people be upset at the gross restrictions forced on them while the scientist who said it could kill half a million ignores the very measures to prevent it?
Agree with you on Ferguson. Breaking lock-down rules for a shag is wrong, dumb and fucking stupid
Cummings, on the other hand, I have sympathy with. The lock-down rules didn't/don't say child safety was something to be ignored. The idea he shouldn't be able to make what he considers the best decision for his family as he's BoJo advisor is ridiculous.
-
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage Cummings isn't even a minister.
But he's the evil genius behind Vote Leave. And the bloke had the temerity to woo the Northern working classes for the Tories.
And he's weird-looking.
-
@Victor-Meldrew bojo should have ditched him for now. Big middle finger to the media which is understandable but probably not wise.
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.
Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Here's the guidance on living with kids if you have coronavirus and isolating.
Seems pretty clear to me. If I had concerns my wife and I had Covid and had a 4 year old kid, I'd do my best to care for my family.
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
Secondly, family comes first. Agree 100%
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Why?
-
@MiketheSnow why not?
Just seen a headline saying he's facing a possible police investigation. Fucken hell. What a retarded waste.
-
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.
Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Here's the guidance on living with kids if you have coronavirus and isolating.
Seems pretty clear to me. If I had concerns my wife and I had Covid and had a 4 year old kid, I'd do my best to care for my family.
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
Secondly, family comes first. Agree 100%
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Why?
And Cabinet Secretary also had it and went off grid. Only came out a few days ago.
Even more opaque!
-
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
-
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Just seen a headline saying he's facing a possible police investigation. Fucken hell. What a retarded waste.
It's the bloke who's making the complaint about Cummings being at Castle Barnard going to the Police. He, in turn, is now being asked what he was doing in the same place 60 miles from his home
-
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
And Cabinet Secretary also had it and went off grid. Only came out a few days ago.
Even more opaque!You forgot Jenny Harries, Steve Powell, General Nick Carter & Chris Whitty.
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
-
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew bojo should have ditched him for now. Big middle finger to the media which is understandable but probably not wise.
He's taking a gamble, that's for sure. Poss. thinks the media are in such bad odour, it's an OK strategy.
It's difficult for his political opponents. Attack Cummings actions too much and they can be seen as using a family problem for political purposes.
I think the whole thing has been handled appallingly though
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.
Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Here's the guidance on living with kids if you have coronavirus and isolating.
Seems pretty clear to me. If I had concerns my wife and I had Covid and had a 4 year old kid, I'd do my best to care for my family.
Yeah but even ignoring the perceptions that his actions would likely cause, was this his best option, let alone his only option? Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?
I can quite understand your view about doing the best to care for your kid, I would be the same. But you and I do not have the same access to facilities that he has. Given that access, the proximity of first class medical care and ancillary support would you, whilst exhibiting symptoms of Covid-19 decide to drive 250 miles to a place with less professional support and with no protection or support for the journey? Would that be doing the best for your kid?
I really do not buy his story at all. It does not bear scrutiny in the slightest.
-
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
I think when kids and medical matters are concerned, politicians and Snr civil servants deserve some space.
-
118 today. Our lowest it seems like forever. Great stuff.
Got hammered at in laws place today. Gave social distancing the heave ho if honest. As adults we made our call on it and enjoyed ourselves.
Watched Boris presser with glass of vino on hand. He basically gave the media wolf pack the middle finger. As much as I physically hate the media, I’m not sure thst was a great idea.
Standard set anyway.