Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It appears we learned nothing from the looseness of the original border controls pre-lockdown. I'm pretty dark about this TBH. All that trauma that we went through, only for the outcome to be jeopardised because the powers that be won't be as tough with the outside world as they were with us. Grow a pair, tell anybody coming in that closed means closed, and that isolation is mandatory, because good faith belief that they are virus free is worthless. If they don't like it, don't come, and any of the media that run sob stories to guilt trip us into exceptions can fuck right off.
Labour couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery! The quarantine is 14 days to prevent exactly whats happened here.
How mad would you be if your business had gone broke and you'd lost your house due to the lockdown to see this sort of crap? Unbelievable.
Makes me wonder what sort of lockdown was in place for the film crew as well, if the rumours of them wandering around Wellington freely were true.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan What surfaces are we talking about, since leaving Auckland? They drove straight to Wellington, and didn't use any public facilities. They were travelling in a private vehicle.
If you have to trust someone's word they didn't leave their car, you have taken a massive risk. One stop at a cafe and you have another outbreak.
Incredible risk.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how far off effective border testing on arrival actually is? Something immediate (24hrs max) that we can actually trust
I wonder how many people they have let out of quarantine early and didn't have to tell us about because they were lucky they stayed negative?
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@akan004 Even women don't need to use public facilities to pee. I don't have to explain that, do I? Bushes etc. You know, what freedom-campers do all the time.
If you believe they did that, I have a bridge to sell you in London.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how far off effective border testing on arrival actually is? Something immediate (24hrs max) that we can actually trust
I wonder how many people they have let out of quarantine early and didn't have to tell us about because they were lucky they stayed negative?
Who knows, but I wouldn't think many. They rejected 18 straight requests in the early days. Maybe they've gotten more lax in L1/2 though
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@taniwharugby Yep, as I think you've said before our unique advantage is physical isolation from the rest of the world. It makes no sense to be lax with that, otherwise we might as well be Belgium. Will it turn out that Labour's critical flaw is they want to be everybody's mate?
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@Stargazer I wish I had your confidence this is a storm in a tea cup (and hope it is)
There are plenty of people along the way they could have been exposed to, what about all those on the plane with them? Border Control, quarantine staff, who used the car after them?
Plenty of touch points that pose a risk.
Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but is the scare our border control needs to up thier game!
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby Yep, as I think you've said before our unique advantage is physical isolation from the rest of the world. It makes no sense to be lax with that, otherwise we might as well be Belgium. Will it turn out that Labour's critical flaw is they want to be everybody's mate?
It's the main way we not only avoided a huge number of cases, but how we were able to get it under control.
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Throughout this whole process since February, it's beggared belief how hard it is to get tested for Covid/how easy it is to not get tested for it.
Which moron thought it was a good idea not to test these two before letting them out early on compassionate leave?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer I wish I had your confidence this is a storm in a tea cup (and hope it is)
There are plenty of people along the way they could have been exposed to, what about all those on the plane with them? Border Control, quarantine staff, who used the car after them?
Plenty of touch points that pose a risk.
Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but is the scare our border control needs to up thier game!
Can't avoid all that stuff though unless we wotally shut the border, even to citizens. That's never going to happen.
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Throughout this whole process since February, it's beggared belief how hard it is to get tested for Covid/how easy it is to not get tested for it.
Which moron thought it was a good idea not to test these two before letting them out early on compassionate leave?
Well since the special treatment for the drug dealer mate of Cindy's, the question has to be asked do they know anybody in government?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer I wish I had your confidence this is a storm in a tea cup (and hope it is)
There are plenty of people along the way they could have been exposed to, what about all those on the plane with them? Border Control, quarantine staff, who used the car after them?
Plenty of touch points that pose a risk.
Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but is the scare our border control needs to up thier game!
Can't avoid all that stuff though unless we wotally shut the border, even to citizens. That's never going to happen.
Yes we can, for the time being, with a 14 day quarantine.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo yeah we can, we test everyone when they arrive and they remain in isolation.
Have to assume our people working at the borders and quarantine facilities have PPE while also being tested?
We can't stop returning citizens infecting other passengers or crew or border control. We just can't.
You've assumed PPE is effective, and it may be, but I don't think that's proved completely.
Quarantine can test whether anyone has the disease, it doesn't prevent them getting it in the first place.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo yeah we can, we test everyone when they arrive and they remain in isolation.
Have to assume our people working at the borders and quarantine facilities have PPE while also being tested?
I'd assume little beyond dumb luck, given what we're hearing today...