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@Siam said in US Politics:
@JC his rogan podcast is illuminating. He forms arguments and explanations for all the things we suspect but can't figure out.
And it's too late. Lots of suffering and frustration coming up for the western world.WTF? Can't figure that one out?
What he has tweeted as if some kind of revelation is the core of why we are always in a constant balancing game.
Of course equality creates an even playing field where some will win and others will lose. The hard part is then keeping control of the negative effects of that.
What is the alternative? A feudal system? We threw that one out a long time ago because the disparity between ordained winners and losers gets unsustainable in that the 'losers' don't have an opportunity to be winners.
This so called 'woke war' is from extremities and from the middle trying things out to keep balance. It happens the other way around at times as well e.g the 'greed is good' periods of history that afford an uplift in overall wellbeings but can create social problems.
Yes, by all means some of the 'wokeness' is plain dumbfuckery, but so are some concepts from the 'other end'.
These things alone aren't our current problem. The highlighting of them and polarisation is.
Tweets like that don't help matters as they paint only one side as stupid which forces an equally dumb comeback. -
Meanwhile, Mr Trump is trying to prove his detractors in the 'Fake News' theory correct by turning on his buddies at Fox for pointing out facts (about his polling numbers) and telling his twitter followers to stop watching them.
'Fake News' in Trumps eyes is news he doesn't like.
“@FoxNews weekend afternoons is the worst! Getting into @CNN and MSDNC territory. Watch @OANN & @newsmax instead. Much better!”
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@Crucial I don't think you know very much about James Lindsay's work. There's 3 hours of it on the podcast I referenced
But thanks for disseminating a tweetWell I can see that he is capable of making inflammatory tweets.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
@Crucial I don't think you know very much about James Lindsay's work. There's 3 hours of it on the podcast I referenced
But thanks for disseminating a tweetWell I can see that he is capable of making inflammatory tweets.
That doesn’t exactly make me want to track down listening to him speak.What’s inflammatory in what he said? Who is he inflaming?
He has a perfectly valid hypothesis that he has posited in a thoughtful way, about what he sees as a systematic and ideologically driven attack on merit.
You didn’t address that, apart from a suggestion that merit equates to feudalism.
Instead you’d rather he shut up and didn’t say what’s on his mind, because it’s apparently inflammatory. Sorry Bud, but that’s your problem. Not his, not mine. But we’re not staying quiet because you think the conversation will trigger someone.
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@Crucial
I agree with you that there is a tendency for one side to highlight the crazies on the other side and that this is inflammatory.
I should know, I do it myself.However, this far left wokeness seems a lot more than just a fringe view and a lot more than just trying things out as you say. It is a system of control of free speech that is becoming increasingly embedded in all sections of US society.
It has permeated corporations, the entertainment industry, formerly mainstream liberal newspapers, the education at the University level and the anti-Trump news outlets are all hopping on board because its a great angle from which to criticize him (amongst other things).
I see it as very dangerous precisely because so many influential forces are getting on board with it. It is becoming mainstreamed at the higher levels of society.
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@JC I stopped following it, but since it isn't big news now it it is probably become just another 'walls are closing in' moment. I'm sure the next bombshell is only a day or 2 away.
On a a positive note 4.8 million jobs added in June is a good sign. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/505577-june-jobs-report-economy-coronavirus-reopening
Trump's aggregated approval rating has also stabilised along with it.Would be great if 2020 had no more nasty surprises.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@JC I stopped following it, but since it isn't big news now it it is probably become just another 'walls are closing in' moment. I'm sure the next bombshell is only a day or 2 away.
On a a positive note 4.8 million jobs added in June is a good sign. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/505577-june-jobs-report-economy-coronavirus-reopening
Trump's aggregated approval rating has also stabilised along with it.Would be great if 2020 had no more nasty surprises.
The jobs number is simply a rebound.
I have seen a chart that puts it into perspective. Massive drop followed by a small gain.
Yes, positive that the rebound has started but nothing out of the ordinary and consistent with the attempts to “re-open”
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@JC I stopped following it, but since it isn't big news now it it is probably become just another 'walls are closing in' moment. I'm sure the next bombshell is only a day or 2 away.
On a a positive note 4.8 million jobs added in June is a good sign. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/505577-june-jobs-report-economy-coronavirus-reopening
Trump's aggregated approval rating has also stabilised along with it.Would be great if 2020 had no more nasty surprises.
The jobs number is simply a rebound.
I have seen a chart that puts it into perspective. Massive drop followed by a small gain.
Yes, positive that the rebound has started but nothing out of the ordinary and consistent with the attempts to “re-open”
Claiming a victory from it has possibilities of setting up a failure should the growth not continue the same.Yep agree though I think Trump's approval rating and chance of success this election is tied pretty tightly to this, as such I'd be expecting Democrats (and their media outlets) to do everything in their power to ensure the economy does not recover and covid/blm/Godzilla (or whatever the hell is next) remains front-an-centre
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@JC I stopped following it, but since it isn't big news now it it is probably become just another 'walls are closing in' moment. I'm sure the next bombshell is only a day or 2 away.
On a a positive note 4.8 million jobs added in June is a good sign. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/505577-june-jobs-report-economy-coronavirus-reopening
Trump's aggregated approval rating has also stabilised along with it.Would be great if 2020 had no more nasty surprises.
The jobs number is simply a rebound.
I have seen a chart that puts it into perspective. Massive drop followed by a small gain.
Yes, positive that the rebound has started but nothing out of the ordinary and consistent with the attempts to “re-open”
Claiming a victory from it has possibilities of setting up a failure should the growth not continue the same.Yep agree though I think Trump's approval rating and chance of success this election is tied pretty tightly to this, as such I'd be expecting Democrats (and their media outlets) to do everything in their power to ensure the economy does not recover and covid/blm/Godzilla (or whatever the hell is next) remains front-an-centre
How are the Dems going to stifle the economy?
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@canefan By keeping business closed because covid
I think covid19 is causing enough trouble on it's own with help from many of the population...... Considering that Melbourne has just locked down over a bunch of new cases that are minuscule in comparison to the numbers in many US states I see it as perfectly understandable that life has not returned to normal yet. I think you are giving them too much credit seeing as they aren't even in (federal) government
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I am so surprised this is backfiring and also a little suspicious that the only reason they are now writing is because their views (as opposed to conservatives' views) are being attacked.
Liberal writers, professors and activists have come together and signed an open letter in the hopes of ending "cancel culture."
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@Frank said in US Politics:
I am so surprised this is backfiring and also a little suspicious that the only reason they are now writing in are because their views (as opposed to conservatives' views) are being attacked.
Liberal writers, professors and activists have come together and signed an open letter in the hopes of ending "cancel culture."
Time to teach them a lesson and embrace it.
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