Coronavirus - Australia
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So genuine question, not being facetious following my rants the other day on hotel quarantine for returning healthy folk - but what should be done with people who test positive to Covid in the community?
Why are we prepared to allow them to be trusted to do the right thing and stay home, when we don't trust returners to do the same?
We jest, but in all seriousness, we have 5,385 active cases in Victoria right now, along with almost 1k in NSW. They all actually have this disease. And yet they're free to roam around if they choose to flout the rules.
And yet we have the army and police guarding hotel rooms for 14 days for recently returned travellers from NZ, where you couldn't catch the fucking thing if you tried.
It's all a bit odd to me.
Hearing Scomo talk about zero tolerance for community transmission was pretty concerning given that effectively means elimination.
I just don't know where we go to from here.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I just don't know where we go to from here.
Don't worry, neither do they.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean Well it's not just Albury-Wodonga, it's also Echuca-Moama, Cobram-Barooga, Yarrawonga-Mulwala, etc etc etc
Yes, but it's handy to picture the scale of it given how small the other border towns are. There's still a lot of Vic plated vehicles towing caravans north of the border.
North of the Queensland border? I reckon a lot of grey nomads hit the road six weeks ago with no intention of going back.
My in-laws are currently high-tailing it to the Queensland border, caravan in tow and no plans to return anytime soon. Can't really blame them.
Build a wall!
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I hate how the focus has shifted while the virus remains the same.
March and April were all about hospital capacities and deaths. Scenarios, projections and numbers were flouted and we all nodded and grimaced at tales of deaths in Italy and Iran
Now its all about positive tests and lock downs again.
Never any reference to the reasons we all busted our futures for. Who's dying and what's the current state of hospital resources?
Only posturing by politicians showing off their abuses of power and monstrous new case numbers read out smugly, about a disease so deadly, you need to be told you have it, then you stay home for a fortnight and recoveršCan someone in authority please give us a projection or scenario on what living with covid might look like?!
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@Siam they always mention the Deaths along with the total cases, 13 today
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The latest deaths include: three men and three women in their 70s, three men and two women in their 80s and two men in their 90s
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10 of the 13 deaths may be related to private sector aged care
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Siam they always mention the Deaths along with the total cases, 13 today
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The latest deaths include: three men and three women in their 70s, three men and two women in their 80s and two men in their 90s
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10 of the 13 deaths may be related to private sector aged care
And the 13 deaths represents less than 2% of the 723 who have it, not 2% of the population.
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@Kiwiwomble not with the same veracity as before. It's not such a priority anymore. To my eyes anyway.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Can someone in authority please give us a projection or scenario on what living with covid might look like?!
I think it's a bit like what's happening in NSW at the moment. Life goes on, but with restrictions and regulations for high-risk businesses (like bars and gyms) and regular updates on where outbreaks are happening.
Victoria were probably a tad quick to lock down, but based on what happened there yesterday I think they probably made the right call. It's getting quite ugly down there and the death toll is only going to get worse.
I think the Melbourne situation is a pretty solid rebuttal to the theory we shouldn't lock down in cases of major outbreak, and instead 'protect the elderly and trust people to act like adults'. Because it seems very hard to protect high-risk areas (like nursing homes), and people won't act like adults at all. They will go to fkn work when they know they have the virus.
With 700+ cases a day I'm not sure what else the Victorian Government can do at this point.
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Our girls in Qld seem like a right couple of charmers. One's brother reckons it's all shit, and the only reason anyone is pissed at them is cause they is black. Right charming family aye?
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@barbarian hearing more and more people say we should have done the full lockdown like NZ, keeping takeaways and malls etc open for the sake of the economy looks a bit silly if they have to keep extending this version of lockdown
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian hearing more and more people say we should have done the full lockdown like NZ, keeping takeaways and malls etc open for the sake of the economy looks a bit silly if they have to keep extending this version of lockdown
which is stupid. what we did was fantastic. Letting nearly half a million people come back to Australia, most in Vic and Sydney, was the "error". And even then with a better run quarantine...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian hearing more and more people say we should have done the full lockdown like NZ, keeping takeaways and malls etc open for the sake of the economy looks a bit silly if they have to keep extending this version of lockdown
As long as it is evidence based. In NSW, the vast majority of cases have been acquired in pubs, clubs and restaurants. So if they came out with a full lockdown including shopping malls, golf courses etc. I'd be a bit miffed.
In Victoria it seems most cases are being spread in the home or at work, rather than in cafes and restaurants. So why close them down if you're not actually going to prevent any spread?
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@mariner4life i agree, its more about how to get it back under control and the discussion of whats better in the long run, six weeks of full lockdown or 12 of what we have
@barbarian ...in principle 100%...but people arent smart and so i can see some logic in an approach of "everyones stays home other than the supermaket"...simple to understand, rather than the factual...some stuff is open and some isn't
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life i agree, its more about how to get it back under control and the discussion of whats better in the long run, six weeks of full lockdown or 12 of what we have
what ever you are going to do, do it fast, so you can come on holiday to FNQ
we're all going to get addicted to government money
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian hearing more and more people say we should have done the full lockdown like NZ, keeping takeaways and malls etc open for the sake of the economy looks a bit silly if they have to keep extending this version of lockdown
which is stupid. what we did was fantastic. Letting nearly half a million people come back to Australia, most in Vic and Sydney, was the "error". And even then with a better run quarantine...
Not much choice in the matter when they're Australians.
The simple and obvious issue is only one jurisdiction completely shat the bed on this. Even now Covid-19 related hospitalisations are still only about two per cent of Victoria's public bed capacity.
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@antipodean sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. I have no problem with them coming back. But that's a lot of people, so unless your quarantine is rock solid, there is zero chance you can keep the disease out.
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@mariner4life given āKaren from Brightonā was a white woman and āEve Blackā also a white woman, and the āBunnings womanā, all got more than their fair share of media air play, I donāt think the media lynch mob really cared about race...
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also, you won't hear that last stat in the media. Like you never hear the ages of the people who died, without digging
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@mariner4life the ages groups of those that died yesterday we like the second bullet point on the article i read
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I do wish the media pointed out the obvious - old people in nursing homes are going to die of this if it gets in there. The rest of us are fine. I read some drivel in the ABC with a clickbait headline that "young people are going to die". Not so far they haven't so stop criticising young people from making logical choices - they're fine but the measures we're taking are heavily swayed to the generations that have had the deck loaded for them all their lives.