So anybody relocated a house?
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There was a house moved on to a section down the road from us. It was amazing they could get a house up there - it was up a small sloping private road/driveway onto a sloping site and right off a pretty main road. We saw the house on the truck and my mind just boggles as to how they got it into position. It was only single story but they jacked it up enough to frame out underneath for anther floor.
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@paekakboyz said in So anybody relocated a house?:
There was a house moved on to a section down the road from us. It was amazing they could get a house up there - it was up a small sloping private road/driveway onto a sloping site and right off a pretty main road. We saw the house on the truck and my mind just boggles as to how they got it into position. It was only single story but they jacked it up enough to frame out underneath for anther floor.
Or cellar?
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O.K. so an update and I need some advice.
Firstly the advice - how do you make a room not a bedroom? I'm serious.
Anyone that has done any building or dealt with council a lot know how to do this? Not having a bed I thought would suffice, but not according to the council. We have two studies and a "library / TV room" that is apparently turning the house into 6 bedrooms not 3. I suggested that the toilets were also rooms so why not call it 8 bedrooms (ignored the cellar).The reason all of that is important is we have a natural (wormerator) wastewater system and we need a much bigger dispersal field for more "bedrooms". I want it all to be gravity fed and this would be problematic with a 18 bedroom house.
Strangely enough you guys talking about doors and @Virgil may be the answer - if a room doesn't have a door it isn't a bedroom? Is that correct? I'm talking council and building regs.
Anyway as for the house:
It has been removed from original site and is now on a yard waiting to be bought up. Council have not trimmed trees as promised yet to get it up here but we can't get it up here yet anyway as we have had to jump through so many hoops to get the natural pool, fireplace, vergola, etc, etc, etc, spec into the plans.I feel like I should call council in the morning and ask if I am allowed bacon and eggs for breakfast but i know that they would just reply "what sort of bacon and is it certified" or "where did you get the eggs, are you licensed to have chickens?"
Advice on "bedrooms" that aren't, would be welcome.
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@snowy interesting question, and can certainly see what you are getting at.
Guess my only comment here would be, going forward (well forward to a resale point) would it be wise to 'under-bedroom' the house?
Been a long time since I worked at the council, but dont recall coming across this issue before, plus these are typically dealt with by the engineers who do the recommendation for the type of system you use, size etc based on the 'max occupancy'
Appreciate you only need one for 2 people (assume the cellar has it's own, unconsented one) but from the Council side they are looking further down the track if you sell, potentially there could be 6+ people living there and the current system woudlnt cope.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, aware of the "when you sell" bit. But the living room could sleep 20 guests no problem and that is completely legal, so it all becomes ludicrous. The number of rooms in a house does not define the number of occupants.
We also aren't talking about a septic tank wastewater system from years ago where shit ended up on the neighbour's lawn if too many of the family stayed for Christmas.
I have just spoken to the architect and we will have to remove some walls.
Apparently nobody can sleep in a big room...FFS
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@snowy the occupancy plan is based on the number of bedrooms (3 b/r would be 5 persons?) as the plan wouldnt be making allowance for a family to have multiples in each room plus using the other living spaces as bedrooms also.
Like most things, based largely on what 'most' people do, not what the outliers do.
I think you can remove internal walls that are not structural too?
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@taniwharugby said in So anybody relocated a house?:
I think you can remove internal walls that are not structural too?
Yes you can. Which makes the "bedroom" thing even more ridiculous.
I'm putting new trussed roofing over the whole place. I can add and remove walls / rooms as I please. Almost none of the internal walls are structural.
I also have a heap of Rimu rafters and beams to find a use for.
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@snowy said in So anybody relocated a house?:
O.K. so an update and I need some advice.
Firstly the advice - how do you make a room not a bedroom? I'm serious.
Anyone that has done any building or dealt with council a lot know how to do this? Not having a bed I thought would suffice, but not according to the council. We have two studies and a "library / TV room" that is apparently turning the house into 6 bedrooms not 3. I suggested that the toilets were also rooms so why not call it 8 bedrooms (ignored the cellar).The reason all of that is important is we have a natural (wormerator) wastewater system and we need a much bigger dispersal field for more "bedrooms". I want it all to be gravity fed and this would be problematic with a 18 bedroom house.
Strangely enough you guys talking about doors and @Virgil may be the answer - if a room doesn't have a door it isn't a bedroom? Is that correct? I'm talking council and building regs.
Anyway as for the house:
It has been removed from original site and is now on a yard waiting to be bought up. Council have not trimmed trees as promised yet to get it up here but we can't get it up here yet anyway as we have had to jump through so many hoops to get the natural pool, fireplace, vergola, etc, etc, etc, spec into the plans.I feel like I should call council in the morning and ask if I am allowed bacon and eggs for breakfast but i know that they would just reply "what sort of bacon and is it certified" or "where did you get the eggs, are you licensed to have chickens?"
Advice on "bedrooms" that aren't, would be welcome.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1947/0200/latest/whole.html
From that, bedrooms must be at least 1.8m in length and width, and at least 6m2, and as habitable areas, must have at least 1 external window, with at least 10% of the floor area being windows and 5% being windows that can be opened. Probably the easiest way to meet their requirements would be to remove or paint shut enough windows that a bedroom stops being a habitable room and therefore not a bedroom.
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@godder said in So anybody relocated a house?:
@snowy said in So anybody relocated a house?:
O.K. so an update and I need some advice.
Firstly the advice - how do you make a room not a bedroom? I'm serious.
Anyone that has done any building or dealt with council a lot know how to do this? Not having a bed I thought would suffice, but not according to the council. We have two studies and a "library / TV room" that is apparently turning the house into 6 bedrooms not 3. I suggested that the toilets were also rooms so why not call it 8 bedrooms (ignored the cellar).The reason all of that is important is we have a natural (wormerator) wastewater system and we need a much bigger dispersal field for more "bedrooms". I want it all to be gravity fed and this would be problematic with a 18 bedroom house.
Strangely enough you guys talking about doors and @Virgil may be the answer - if a room doesn't have a door it isn't a bedroom? Is that correct? I'm talking council and building regs.
Anyway as for the house:
It has been removed from original site and is now on a yard waiting to be bought up. Council have not trimmed trees as promised yet to get it up here but we can't get it up here yet anyway as we have had to jump through so many hoops to get the natural pool, fireplace, vergola, etc, etc, etc, spec into the plans.I feel like I should call council in the morning and ask if I am allowed bacon and eggs for breakfast but i know that they would just reply "what sort of bacon and is it certified" or "where did you get the eggs, are you licensed to have chickens?"
Advice on "bedrooms" that aren't, would be welcome.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1947/0200/latest/whole.html
From that, bedrooms must be at least 1.8m in length and width, and at least 6m2, and as habitable areas, must have at least 1 external window, with at least 10% of the floor area being windows and 5% being windows that can be opened. Probably the easiest way to meet their requirements would be to remove or paint shut enough windows that a bedroom stops being a habitable room and therefore not a bedroom.
Thats a good call. We have a "window" in our kitchen that has been plastered and painted over on the he inside by the previous owners during a renovation they did. You'd never know it's there, I fact only noticed it when the kids pointed it out after living in the house for 3yrs 🤣
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We have two large offices above the garage that are causing the issue, but I think that I have found a way around it, and got it down to 4 bedrooms. A massive cavity slider that opens up the whole space, which is now called a "gallery" (very fucking grand) instead of two "bedrooms" - which are studies. The engineer and architect reckon it will comply, so fingers crossed.
The wastewater system is designed to take up to 8 bedrooms anyway, but you need a massive dispersal field for that. We have the space but I am trying to keep it all gravity fed (don't want any electric pumps in it at all) so trying to work with the existing contours and keep the field smaller. I could move some earth to accommodate it but, guess what, council restrict earthworks even on a 22 acre block. I don't actually own the land apparently - council do (yes I get that there have to be some restrictions but everything that I am doing is eco friendly, and they still make it difficult).
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