Coronavirus - Australia
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire
for international travel. make a living from tourismLets not minimise a real issue.
One particular sector's woes down here are still going to be a lower priority than local death rates.
Yes, of course. Just didn’t like how flippant you were being about it.
Not quite as bad as calling a sector “cocky”. But not far off.
NZ and Aussie get better business relationships and family occasions. These are important, and worth working towards and celebrating now that it's here.
I think the net impact of tourism will be limited because Kiwis will go there in big numbers which will offset Aussies coming here. Closed borders created losers, but that was mostly offset by winners (both local tourism and other spending). Open borders creates winners but I think that will mostly be offset, not a large net gain.
The desirability of TransTasman travel is far more about our relationships, not tourism.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The desirability of TransTasman travel is far more about our relationships, not tourism.
I'd say it's allowing required travel back first (families, business), and tourism second. But there are 5x as many of them as us - so I suspect we'll do just fine out of this. In fact, I think we'll do better from Aus, than Aus will from us!
We should check back in 6 months.
It's also a dry run to a future where Covid is eliminated in coutnries and we join with them. It could well bea progressive green-zone system. Now we just need to offer it to the islands like the Cooks (0 covid cases) and keep opening up carefully and progressively
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It's also about allowing some bloody choice back into our lives. Want to travel and see your family? Who the heck are we to stop you, just know the risks. Want to run a business in tourism? Go for it, we'll get out of your way and you can compete on a level playing field with the others.
The idea that anyone would suggest keeping the borders shut to protect certain industries does not sit well with me.
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Mrs Boo had her Astra Zeneca'ed on Thursday.
Was chatting to the Nurse who said they were getting through just over 100 per day.
Doing some back of cigarette packet calcs, and assuming their turnover is typical, and Hervey Bay is representative of the population across Straya ...
... and assuming their throughput is typical all of the vaccine clinics
There are 6 clinics in Hervey Bay. That extrapolates to 600/day.
So to vaccinate our entire population would take 100 days. Which is 20 weeks. Which is 5 months. So September for everyone to get one dose. Repeat for second dose so February for completion.
Many much assumptions, but the numbers don't yet add up for an October delivery.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Thinking about a holiday in July school break. Considering NZ, FNQ, or maybe just Nelson Bay a couple of hours north of Sydney.
Staying in-state removes the risks of Covid shit, pending vaccination status.
Come to NZ, I’m sure I got the last round and it’s your shout
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Mrs Boo had her Astra Zeneca'ed on Thursday.
Was chatting to the Nurse who said they were getting through just over 100 per day.
Doing some back of cigarette packet calcs, and assuming their turnover is typical, and Hervey Bay is representative of the population across Straya ...
... and assuming their throughput is typical all of the vaccine clinics
There are 6 clinics in Hervey Bay. That extrapolates to 600/day.
So to vaccinate our entire population would take 100 days. Which is 20 weeks. Which is 5 months. So September for everyone to get one dose. Repeat for second dose so February for completion.
Many much assumptions, but the numbers don't yet add up for an October delivery.
I personally don’t know why there’s so much attention of rushing the rollout given the tolerance level of any case is so low it’s ridiculous.
Internal border restrictions are instituted at the drop of a hat still.
And the whole crap about being left behind because other countries are opening seems stupid given the state of cases globally. Again look at what happens when there is one case of transmission. People like to throw out things like herd immunity, but that is not going to stop a McGowan or Anastasia, Dan or Marshall from shutting it down if there are still cases.
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@act-crusader I guess the counter, is that you'd hope these trigger-happy premiers would have less ground to stand on when trying to impose a lockdown for a case or 2 if half their voters were already vaccinated?
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@voodoo that might be their thinking, but the reality is that every country that has rolled out the vaccine still have cases. Some in great numbers. My main point is that there is no need to be so hung up with rushing the vaccine rollout whilst there are cases out there.
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@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covid in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - “what’s different now?” “Why didn’t you allow us to stay open last time?” Sure they will say ‘health advice’, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
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@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - “what’s different now?” “Why didn’t you allow us to stay open last time?” Sure they will say ‘health advice’, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
Yeah, and what's worse , is that their draconian methods have been so unilaterally aupported at the polls. VIC, WA, QLD, NZ, pretty amazing
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@act-crusader guess my main point is that we in OZ/NZ need to totally rethink our tolerance levels. I've been banging this drum for a long time now, but there should be consistent messaging around tolerable levels of Covod in society post-vaccine. This adherence to elimination is just so foolish
I agree mate. But the states have made their beds with lockdowns and restrictions. How can they justify doing anything differently now, especially when certain parts of the economy are still in pain from previous lockdowns. The immediate questions will be - “what’s different now?” “Why didn’t you allow us to stay open last time?” Sure they will say ‘health advice’, but to have any actual evidence of the positive effect of the vaccine will take some time for the research, evaluation etc.
Yeah, and what's worse , is that their draconian methods have been so unilaterally aupported at the polls. VIC, WA, QLD, NZ, pretty amazing
"thank you Anna for keeping us safe!"
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so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, can you blokes who are smarter than me, and know things answer me a question?
What is the actual point of these stupid mini lockdowns that appear to do fuck all but stuff up long weekends and fuck small business hard in the ass? Perth had ANOTHER one this weekend. And lo and behold, despite the dude having one of the super-mega-ultimate spreader variants, and being out and about for days with it, and in all sorts of venues, they found 1 community case. And it was a really close contact.
People from WA, or who had been in WA, had already gone all over the country (and NZ it appears) and there was how much spread?
The WA Government will follow the script and claim the lockdown was a success and definitely saved lives. And yet no one can explain to me how?
I think you can start to mount a credible argument that certain governments are keen to maintain a level of fear to keep control. WA and QLD spring ro mind.
absolutely.
What i find quite reassuring is, there was a case in Auckland, this little thing in Perth, and the trans- Ta$man bubble didn't blink. That actually quite confidence building. I expected the opposite, early on every hiccup to be jumped upon.
Yeah that was great. I leave Thursday week, and I'm pretty confident that if I make that flight, Gladys will let me come back 4 days later.