Woo
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New thread for misguided science and medicine, vaccination lunacy and homeopathy.
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Wasn't sure where to put this ...
- Conspiracy Theories
- Sir Colin's Cancer
- Good Reads
- somewhere else ...
But here it is
"Coxhead claimed it changed the molecular structure of the immune system so the water could penetrate to the bone, then to the cancer cells."
I liked this quote:
"Kim noted that analytical chemistry measurements were not capable of detecting any "mystical properties that the solution might be held to possess, such as ability to alter the quantum structure of the water"."Which segues naturally to The Infinite Monkey Cage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051ryq8For some reason this reminded me of a name from the 1970s that middle aged Ferners may recall: Milan Brych.
Not sure anyone ever worked out what his "cure" was meant to be but in my googling just now I came across this:
http://cancerforum.org.au/article/2005/november/medical-oncology-group-of-australia-pierre-fabre-cancer-achievement-award/ from 2005.Also related I see a headline the Belle Gibson has copped a $30K fine.
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A bit more on the Te Kiri Gold scam.
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@Tim Wow. Just wow. I mean, I get people trying something alternative that has achieved some sort of result. But this is just gross. It's water from a dairy farmer and a dodgy doctor with a massive conflict of interest. Also, fuck that dude who claims false hope is some sort of hope so is a good thing.
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Didn't Pinetree also endorce a finance company that went bust?
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I seem to recall the immortal line: "Solid as, I reckon."
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Meads is top of my list of people I'd love to have a beer with but I wouldn't go to him for health or financial advice .
Good on stuff for following up the nonsense about the enchanted water, once again these people are just shysters.
The herald has followed it up today. Every time an article about vaccinations or woo medical treatments shows up the comments are filled with people Wingerising about big pharma or fuckwits who invent people who's herpes was cured by enchanted cabbage leaves . Here we have this guy saying he had a guy with a melanoma so big you could see his skull through it and his water cured it. You'd think science would be all over that wouldn't you?
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11834818
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@Tim Not sure this qualifies for this thread as despite being a clickbait sensationalist story it's actually the sort of stuff news outlet should be doing: exposing the cons and fraudsters.
I thought "Conspiracy" theories as below:
@booboo said in Your favourite conspiracy theories:
Wasn't sure where to put this ...
- Conspiracy Theories
- Sir Colin's Cancer
- Good Reads
- somewhere else ...
But here it is
... stories and stuff...
Maybe we should have a Woo thread so we can point and laugh at the weirdos.
Seems both Stuff and the Herald have TKG in their sights. Good on them.
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@booboo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Tim Not sure this qualifies for this thread as despite being a clickbait sensationalist story it's actually the sort of stuff news outlet should be doing: exposing the cons and fraudsters.
I thought "Conspiracy" theories as below:
@booboo said in Your favourite conspiracy theories:
Wasn't sure where to put this ...
- Conspiracy Theories
- Sir Colin's Cancer
- Good Reads
- somewhere else ...
But here it is
... stories and stuff...
Maybe we should have a Woo thread so we can point and laugh at the weirdos.
Seems both Stuff and the Herald have TKG in their sights. Good on them.
Good call, can we do that?
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@jegga done
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This nutter got fined $30000 in court costs for her cancer scam, when she was younger she claimed to have had extensive heart surgery and then posted photos of herself in a bikini. She laid low for a while after a few people asked where her scars were, open heart surgery tends to leave a mark after all.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11834633
You'd think she'd have learned after twice being outed as a fraud but she's at it again
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Coxy is taking the water too now
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11834808
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These guys are charlatans feeding on the desperation of the gravely ill. I don't blame Colin and Coxy. It's the old Zinny fried egg thing
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Yea I guess you try whatever you can...some changes can prolong your life in some people...I know of a couple of examples where 2-3 month left to live predictions went on 2 10 years and one had weeks to live went on for another 3 years.
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I seem to recall the immortal line: "Solid as, I reckon."
Actually he did Ads for vogels bread too and that's always great with a shitload of bacon in between couple of slices
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I can totally understand their motivation for taking the snake oil, that makes what Cock Head is doing even worse. Taking advantage of desperate people.
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@MN5 rules have since changed and you need to be qualified to offer financial advice and usually accompanied with a Reem of paperwork
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@jegga whoa that latest stuff is batshit. Really sad actually, seems she is still living in her own world and it's only connection to real life is via social media! which is crackers also!
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@Paekakboyz sad for her kid, god knows sort of batshit stuff she's telling/feeding it. The heart stuff came out on some forum she went on trolling for sympathy, you're right she's in a weird online universe she's created for herself.
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That's fucked. Timaru of all places? I expected to see the school name as Rudolf Steiner School or Waldorf School. But Grantlea Downs appears to be state run.
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http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/91324416/timaru-school-opts-out-of-vaccine-programme
Stupid is stupid does
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The usual woo merchants complain that there's "no cure for (all 100+ typs of) cancer". Then when a vaccine comes along that can help prevent some of them...
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@Donsteppa said in Woo:
The usual woo merchants complain that there's "no cure for (all 100+ typs of) cancer". Then when a vaccine comes along that can help prevent some of them...
Winger and others have claimed Gardisal doesn't prevent cancer, which is true. It prevents hpv which can lead to various cancers .
It's not helped by these people
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10825493
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@jegga hat's the central tenet of woo: coincidence, correlation, and causality all start with "c", therefore they're the same thing.
Fucking tragic, but millions of doses versus one story. That's not how evidence works. Had that fight with a silly, superior-sounding bitch on twitter months ago. She was too distressed to provide facts
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@NTA her family refused an autopsy, you'd think they would have wanted to prove it 100% .
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@jegga science is grossly inconvenient for these sorts of things. Even a bit of basic toxicology might have helped, or a quick look at the heart itself.
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@jegga science is grossly inconvenient for these sorts of things. Even a bit of basic toxicology might have helped, or a quick look at the heart itself.
I think the coroner said it was likely her heart, its rare for someone so young to die in their sleep and apparently that's what it usually is.
She's unfortunately become famous since her death amongst the pro disease loons including our resident one.
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This nutter got fined $30000 in court costs for her cancer scam, when she was younger she claimed to have had extensive heart surgery and then posted photos of herself in a bikini. She laid low for a while after a few people asked where her scars were, open heart surgery tends to leave a mark after all.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11834633
You'd think she'd have learned after twice being outed as a fraud but she's at it again
If you can make money off the idiocy of others, good luck to you.
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@antipodean the part about shitting out a tapeworm was tmi I thought.
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Yes, some people don't have the necessary filter when it comes to sharing.
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@antipodean said in Woo:
This nutter got fined $30000 in court costs for her cancer scam, when she was younger she claimed to have had extensive heart surgery and then posted photos of herself in a bikini. She laid low for a while after a few people asked where her scars were, open heart surgery tends to leave a mark after all.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11834633
You'd think she'd have learned after twice being outed as a fraud but she's at it again
If you can make money off the idiocy of others, good luck to you.
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There was a guy on tv showing what he'd been through with cancer that developed from hpv. He lost part of his upper jaw, his palate and the inside of his nose, needless to say he's keen to see people vaccinated against hpv.
The school headmaster had explained his " reasoning".
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@jegga Sack the school board.
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@antipodean I'd say they've put themselves in the crosshairs and hopefully that happens . Its hard to combat the sheer volume of nonsense the pro disease crowd put out . Who to believe these nutters?
http://uncensored.co.nz/tag/imac/
https://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=46752
Or the CDC ?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/hpv-safety-faqs.html
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@Tregaskis said in Woo:
That's fucked. Timaru of all places? I expected to see the school name as Rudolf Steiner School or Waldorf School. But Grantlea Downs appears to be state run.
They should stop getting state funding then.
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Not sure if this is really the correct thread for this subject but if not, it's close to it.
There is a case going on in the UK about a woman that has been told she is going to lose care of her kids. She has disappeared and the police were looking for her. They appear to have been very heavy handed, repeatedly searching the homes of her friends and family as well as detaining two of her family members. There has been something of a backlash and a crowd funding initiative so she can afford a decent legal defense. All this on Facebook.
Reading through all that the one ting that I couldn't see was what had brought on the losing of the care for her kids.
Anyway a simple trawl through the BBC news site gets you this:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-39558863
I wonder why the sisterhood of wimmin on the Facebook appeal didn't mention all that?
Anyway they've found her.
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More about the Timaru school
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When I see somebody saying "do my own research" my bullshitometer lights up.
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Borderline criminal decision to make when you are in a position to ensure the wellbeing of children.
