6N 2018



  • England (extended) squad to play Italy named with quite a few rookies in there, due to injury and suspensions. Given the problems we have with back rowers injury and suspension I'm not sure just what Armand at Exeter Chiefs has to do to get a look in. (Possible bias alert).

    Tom Dunn Edit:Gary Graham, sorry wrong rookie, is an interesting pick. He is qualified to play for Scotland too but Eddie has jumped in. Cue much Scottish frothing at the mouth (possibly justified).

    England squad to face Italy

    Backs

    Mike Brown (Harlequins), Nathan Earle (Saracens), Harry Mallinder (Northampton), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Danny Care (Harlequins), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester), Jonathan Joseph (Bath), Alex Lozowski (Saracens),Jack Nowell (Exeter), Henry Slade (Exeter), Ben Te'o (Worcester) Marcus Smith (Harlequins) **, Ben Youngs (Leicester)

    Forwards

    Gary Graham (Newcastle), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Launchbury (Wasps)Zach Mercer (Bath), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby), Lewis Boyce (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Tom Dunn (Bath), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton), Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)

    ** - Apprentice player



  • XV de France extended squad for the test against Ireland:

    Hookers
    Guilhem Guirado (RCT), Camille Chat (Racing 92), Christopher Tolofua (Saracens)

    Props
    Jefferson Poirot (UBB), Eddy Ben Arous (Racing 92), Dany Priso (Stade Rochelais), Rabah Slimani (Clermont), Cedate Gomes Sa (Racing 92)

    Locks
    Sébastien Vahaamahina (Clermont) Paul Gabrillagues (Stade Français), Arthur Iturria (Clermont), Félix Lambey (LOU)

    Loose forwards
    Sekou Macalou (Stade Français), Kevin Gourdon (Stade Rochelais), Anthony Jelonch (Castres), Yacouba Camara (MHR), Wenceslas Lauret (Racing 92), Marco Tauleigne (UBB)

    Halfbacks
    Morgan Parra (Clermont), Antoine Dupont (Stade Toulousain), Maxime Machenaud (Racing 92)

    First-five eighths
    Matthieu Jalibert (UBB), Anthony Belleau (RCT)

    Midfielders
    Geoffrey Doumayrou (Stade Rochelais), Henry Chavancy (Racing 92), Jonathan Danty (Stade Français), Rémi Lamerat (Clermont),

    Outside backs
    Teddy Thomas (Racing 92), Virimi Vakatawa (Racing 92), Benjamin Fall (MHR), Nans Ducuing (UBB), Brice Dulin (Racing 92), Geoffrey Palis (Castres)

    .

    It will be interesting to see whether the new coaches can turn things around for France after the very disappointing results from November that led to Guy Noves getting sacked. I understand the change of guard was a bit messy, and this is not the most experienced coaching set-up. Jacques Brunel and his assistants Julien Bonnaire, Sébastien Bruno and Jean-Baptiste Élissalde have called up a few young players in Matthieu Jalibert, Anthony Belleau ou Anthony Jelonch, but have also re-called veteran Morgan Parra.



  • @catogrande no captain named?



  • @bones Apparently not it seems but Eddie has been fulsome in his support for Hartley recently so I would expect him to get the nod.



  • @catogrande Yeah - closest I could find was Eddie claiming back in November that Hartley was gonna be captain for 6N, despite any changes during those End-Of-Year-Tour/Autumn-Internationals/Spring-Tour/November-Tests.



  • @stargazer No Picamoles? Big call.



  • @catogrande Haven't seen myself, but a mate who follows top14 closely said he wasn't surprised at all, apparently Picamoles has been playing very poorly.



  • @sapetyvi I haven't seen that much of the T14 but I have seen him v Exeter in the European Cup. He was looking pretty good but only in fits and starts really. Mind you I think that mirrors the Montpellier game-plan itself. I'm not sure that he's made a good choice in going there. He remains a class player IMO.



  • Ireland 6N squad for first two rounds announced by our Joe:

    FORWARDS (20)
    Hookers
    Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) c 106 caps; Sean Cronin (St Mary's College/Leinster) 56 caps; Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 3 cap

    Wide Lads
    Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 73 caps; Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 42 caps; Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 22 caps; Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 19 caps; Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps; John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 11 caps

    Tall Lads
    Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 11 caps; Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 34 caps; Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 3 caps; James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps; Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 53 caps

    Bulky Lads
    Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps; Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 5 caps; Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster) 18 caps; Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 42 caps; CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 18 caps; Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps

    BACKS (16)

    Fancy Dans
    Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 78 caps; Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 6 caps; Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 4 caps; Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 62 caps
    Jordan Larmour (St Mary's College/Leinster)*; Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 32 caps

    The Mids
    Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 2 caps; Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 2 caps; Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 31 caps; Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 3 caps

    Queens & Prima Donnas
    Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 68 caps; Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster) 7 caps; Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 6 caps

    Small but perfectly formed Loudmouths
    Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 18 caps; Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 6 caps; Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 59 caps



  • @pot-hale Payne injured?



  • @bones said in 6N 2018:

    @pot-hale Payne injured?

    Has been since Lions tour. Headaches. Hasn't played since. He's 32, central contract up in June. Not looking good.
    Heaslip also out since last 6N.
    O'Brien had minor hip operation last week. Might feature later rounds.
    Ringrose also injured but might feature in later rounds.
    Niall Scannell also injured otherwise would have been ahead of Herring
    Surprised Roux got in ahead of Treadwell.
    Rory Scannell preferred ahead of McCloskey which is a good thing imho
    Pity that John Cooney, Ulster 9, didn't get a chance to show his wares. Has been in fine form for Ulster and made fans forget about Pienaar.

    If the above can get all get through their European final pool games this weekend and emerge unscathed, then Schmidt & Co will be pretty happy with their lot.



  • @catogrande said in 6N 2018:

    England (extended) squad to play Italy named with quite a few rookies in there, due to injury and suspensions. Given the problems we have with back rowers injury and suspension I'm not sure just what Armand at Exeter Chiefs has to do to get a look in. (Possible bias alert).

    Tom Dunn Edit:Gary Graham, sorry wrong rookie, is an interesting pick. He is qualified to play for Scotland too but Eddie has jumped in. Cue much Scottish frothing at the mouth (possibly justified).

    England squad to face Italy

    Backs

    Mike Brown (Harlequins), Nathan Earle (Saracens), Harry Mallinder (Northampton), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Danny Care (Harlequins), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester), Jonathan Joseph (Bath), Alex Lozowski (Saracens),Jack Nowell (Exeter), Henry Slade (Exeter), Ben Te'o (Worcester) Marcus Smith (Harlequins) **, Ben Youngs (Leicester)

    Forwards

    Gary Graham (Newcastle), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Launchbury (Wasps)Zach Mercer (Bath), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby), Lewis Boyce (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Tom Dunn (Bath), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton), Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)

    ** - Apprentice player

    Gary Grahams dad is George Graham who played for Scotland in the late 90s as a mobile ball playing prop who I assume based on this wasn't much of a scrummager.



  • @mn5 So, justified frothing then. I remember George Graham, as you say, handy in the loose but not so much at the day job.



  • I'm actually looking forward to this. The 6N is now the world's pre-eminent annual rugby competition. I hope the rugby on display lives up to that billing.

    Surely a two horse race?



  • @mariner4life Should be four competitive teams this year? France will remain a joke. Hope they get beaten by Italy too.



  • I expect the Scots to spoil, but fall short. I don't actually think much of Wales, but they do seem to lift for this comp so maybe?



  • @mariner4life said in 6N 2018:

    I expect the Scots to spoil, but fall short. I don't actually think much of Wales, but they do seem to lift for this comp so maybe?

    Scots were talking themselves up on the fb group I was a member of. I say 'was' because I made an off colour joke that offended a bunch of them, refused to apologise and got banned. Scottish rugby fans are quite literally a bunch of PC butthurt snowflakes.

    God Bless TSF and all you fluffybunnies on here who share my non PC offensive attitude.



  • @mn5 said in 6N 2018:

    @mariner4life said in 6N 2018:

    I expect the Scots to spoil, but fall short. I don't actually think much of Wales, but they do seem to lift for this comp so maybe?

    Scots were talking themselves up on the fb group I was a member of. I say 'was' because I made an off colour joke that offended a bunch of them, refused to apologise and got banned. Scottish rugby fans are quite literally a bunch of PC butthurt snowflakes.

    God Bless TSF and all you fluffybunnies on here who share my non PC offensive attitude.

    Tell us the joke?



  • @sammyc said in 6N 2018:

    @mn5 said in 6N 2018:

    @mariner4life said in 6N 2018:

    I expect the Scots to spoil, but fall short. I don't actually think much of Wales, but they do seem to lift for this comp so maybe?

    Scots were talking themselves up on the fb group I was a member of. I say 'was' because I made an off colour joke that offended a bunch of them, refused to apologise and got banned. Scottish rugby fans are quite literally a bunch of PC butthurt snowflakes.

    God Bless TSF and all you fluffybunnies on here who share my non PC offensive attitude.

    Tell us the joke?

    Everyone was getting all up in arms about Basteraud being homophobic ( i think he has been suspended ? ) and I mentioned gay blokes are great at shopping, interior decorating etc.

    An admin emailed me saying he'd had multiple complaints about my bigoted comments.

    Definitely the kind of piston wristed gibbons who woulda been outraged at that restaurant in chch.



  • @mn5 rinse, repeat... You already used that story to describe a failed tinder episode bro.



  • @bones said in 6N 2018:

    @mn5 rinse, repeat... You already used that story to describe a failed tinder episode bro.

    It's a constant theme in my life. You'd think I woulda learnt.

    It does prove I can offend people online and in real life though.



  • @mariner4life said in 6N 2018:

    I'm actually looking forward to this. The 6N is now the world's pre-eminent annual rugby competition. I hope the rugby on display lives up to that billing.

    Surely a two horse race?

    nothing says pre-eminent like Gareth Anscombe and Hadleigh Parkes

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/100800786/more-accolades-for-hadleigh-parkes-as-welsh-jersey-looms-for-six-nations-rugby-series



  • @kiwimurph said in 6N 2018:

    @mariner4life said in 6N 2018:

    I'm actually looking forward to this. The 6N is now the world's pre-eminent annual rugby competition. I hope the rugby on display lives up to that billing.

    Surely a two horse race?

    nothing says pre-eminent like Gareth Anscombe and Hadleigh Parkes

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/100800786/more-accolades-for-hadleigh-parkes-as-welsh-jersey-looms-for-six-nations-rugby-series

    Ouch. A tinge of the Angostura?



  • @rocky-rockbottom Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with SBW, Ioane, Moala, and Faiane ahead of Hadley Parkes.

    Add Vaega, Little, and Groundwater ahead of him too.



  • I'm hoping Wales come calling for Michael Collins next to complete the trifecta



  • @kiwimurph I'd forgotten Tamati Tua as well.



  • @rocky-rockbottom Parkes played for the Canes too (and did next to nothing for Canes and Blues). I think it's more of a case of Parkes suiting the Northern Hemisphere style of play than being a 'world class midfielder'. Super Rugby played by NZ teams is very fast paced and suits athletically gifted players - Hadleigh Parkes doesn't exactly fit that category. If you put Parkes in an NZ Super Rugby midfield this season I wouldn't expect 'world class'.



  • @kiwimurph given with his express pace, he played on the wing for the Blues....

    My best memories of him is his play when Northland thrashed Manawatu 77-5 in 2010 haha



  • @taniwharugby said in 6N 2018:

    @kiwimurph given with his express pace, he played on the wing for the Blues....

    My best memories of him is his play when Northland thrashed Manawatu 77-5 in 2010 haha

    Pretty sure I was at that game, wonderful day out at Okara.



  • @nzzp well I certainly was 🙂





  • Is French rugby run by Jacques Clouseau?



  • @antipodean said in 6N 2018:

    Is French rugby run by Jacques Clouseau?

    It's fake news. They were searching for the painting of the fallen madonna with the big boobies.



  • Six Nations starting this weekend.

    Italy play England in the Sun afternoon match
    France play Ireland in second match on Sat
    Wales play Scotland first up on Sat in the match of the round.

    All the preview talk has been look at how many injuries we have. Hopefully that dies away once match squads are announced on Thursday.

    England start as favorites and get to sit in the pretty seat as they watch to see whether one or even two of their possible rivals get knocked out of contention for a Grand Slam and possibly the Championship. Wales are slow starters but a win against the fancied Scots would put them in fine fettle for a trip to Twickenham. Ireland started slow last year against Scotland and paid the price. Lose to the French in Paris ( a regular enough occurrence) and they’ll be turning up with nothing but a brave face at Twickenham four rounds later.

    Two or even three away wins this weekend would set the Championship up nicely.



  • @pot-hale said in 6N 2018:

    Six Nations starting this weekend.

    Italy play England in the Sun afternoon match
    France play Ireland in second match on Sat
    Wales play Scotland first up on Sat in the match of the round.

    All the preview talk has been look at how many injuries we have. Hopefully that dies away once match squads are announced on Thursday.

    England start as favorites and get to sit in the pretty seat as they watch to see whether one or even two of their possible rivals get knocked out of contention for a Grand Slam and possibly the Championship. Wales are slow starters but a win against the fancied Scots would put them in fine fettle for a trip to Twickenham. Ireland started slow last year against Scotland and paid the price. Lose to the French in Paris ( a regular enough occurrence) and they’ll be turning up with nothing but a brave face at Twickenham four rounds later.

    Two or even three away wins this weekend would set the Championship up nicely.

    Scots are talking it up and are pretty confident which is a sure sign everyone's money should be on Wales.



  • Ireland team to play France in Paris. Ringrose injured puts Aki in and vdF wins the gong to replace injured SOB. Young James Ryan edges Toner to the bench.

    Stockdale, Ryan and Aki in their 6N bows.

    15 Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 78 caps
    14 Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 62 caps
    13 Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 31 caps
    12 Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 2 caps
    11 Jacob Stockdale (Belfast quins/Ulster) 4 caps
    10 Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 68 caps
    9 Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 59 caps
    1 Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 73 caps
    2 Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 106 caps (captain)
    3 Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 19 caps
    4 Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 34 caps
    5 James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
    6 Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 42 caps
    7 Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
    8 CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 18 caps

    Replacements
    16. Sean Cronin (St Mary's College/Leinster) 56 caps
    17. Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 42 caps
    18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 11 caps
    19. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 53 caps
    20. Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
    21. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 6 caps
    22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 6 caps
    23. Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 32 caps



  • @pot-hale there you go with that weird numbering again...;)

    1 Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 73 caps
    2 Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 106 caps (captain)
    3 Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 19 caps
    4 Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 34 caps
    5 James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
    6 Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 42 caps
    7 Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
    8 CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 18 caps
    9 Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 59 caps
    10 Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 68 caps
    11 Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 4 caps
    12 Bundee O'Aki (Galwegians/Connacht/Chiefs/Counties Manukau) 2 caps
    13 Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 31 caps
    14 Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 62 caps
    15 Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 78 caps

    Replacements

    16 Sean Cronin (St Mary's College/Leinster) 56 caps
    17 Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 42 caps
    18 John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 11 caps
    19 Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 53 caps
    20 Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
    21 Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 6 caps
    22 Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 6 caps
    23 Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 32 caps



  • BTW the kilted ones named their team yesterday

    1. Gordon Reid (London Irish) – 27 caps

    2. Stuart McInally (Edinburgh Rugby) – 12 caps

    3. Jon Welsh (Newcastle Falcons) – 11 caps

    4. Ben Toolis (Edinburgh Rugby) – 7 caps

    5. Jonny Gray VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 38 caps

    6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 66 caps

    7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 15 caps

    8. Cornell du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – 5 caps

    9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 11 caps

    10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps

    11. Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 2 caps

    12. Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 11 caps

    13. Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 1 cap

    14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 39 caps

    15. Stuart Hogg VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 55 caps

    16. Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons) – 46 caps

    17. Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

    18. Murray McCallum (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped

    19. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby) – 18 caps

    20. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps

    21. Greig Laidlaw (ASM Clermont Auvergne) – 58 caps

    22. Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 28 caps

    23. Sean Maitland (Saracens) – 29 caps



  • Seems to be a lot of guys with not a lot of international experience in that Scots side.



  • @pot-hale
    Strong side PH, though I can never quite understand how Earls has got that many caps. Elusive runner but to me, too many fallabilities?


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