TRC squad





  • Are they going to keep NMS? He was a marginal pick before, and hasn't exactly showered himself in glory since.



  • @chester-draws time to move on
    from him, surely.



  • @gunner think it was telling he was hooked fairly early last night, unfortunate for him as he didnt get much chance to kick on post RWC with injuries, but not only has his form deserted him, but his pace too.



  • @taniwharugby 27 year old ABs winger, it's the end unless you move into centres 😉



  • @machpants Waisake trying to buck that trend....



  • @taniwharugby said in TRC squad:

    @machpants Waisake trying to buck that trend....

    oh ho ho ho, how droll.

    Naholo seems to be playing his way out of the squad, not into it...



  • Akira fucken Ioane please Sir Mr. Hansen.



  • @nzzp TBF, I struggle to remember when he has played a great game in black, sure he has had moments, but simply hasnt been able to step up the way many would have liked (expected)



  • From Cully's squad...

    Hookers: Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Liam Coltman
    Props: Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala, Joe Moody, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tuungafasi
    ​Locks: Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Scott Barrett
    Loose forwards: Vaea Fifita, Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Liam Squire, Ardie Savea/Matt Todd, Shannon Frizell, Luke Whitelock, Jordan Taufua
    Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
    Five-eighths: Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Richie Mo'unga
    Midfielders: Ryan Crotty, Sonny Bill Williams, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Jack Goodhue
    Outside backs: Jordie Barrett, Ben Smith, Rieko Ioane, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo

    If Read wasn't back I could see Akira Ioane taking Fifita's place - but, he's got to move two places up the pecking order, which is a bit questionable unless he was outstanding in camp. However, if Taufua is broken, I think Akira's a chance.

    It's possible that they'll name a squad only for a couple of matches and rotate some of the midfielders in and out to retain an extra outside back - I'd still be doubtful that it would be NMS. I think all of Lam, Bridge and Alaimalo offer more. But, I can't see a lot of point in a fifth outside back, when already probably Naholo doesn't make the starting 23.

    JTA maybe instead of Laulala - is Nepo playing club rugby yet?



  • @chris-b confirmed Taufua is gone

    @stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:

    Feeling sorry for the lad. Taufua deservedly called into the ABs in May, but couldn't play because of injury. If he had any chance of being called up for the RC, that chance is gone now, too. I know there's disagreement about whether he should be an AB or not, but this is just really tough luck.



  • @chris-b said in TRC squad:

    From Cully's squad...

    Hookers: Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Liam Coltman
    Props: Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala, Joe Moody, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tuungafasi
    ​Locks: Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Scott Barrett
    Loose forwards: Vaea Fifita, Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Liam Squire, Ardie Savea/Matt Todd, Shannon Frizell, Luke Whitelock, Jordan Taufua
    Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
    Five-eighths: Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Richie Mo'unga
    Midfielders: Ryan Crotty, Sonny Bill Williams, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Jack Goodhue
    Outside backs: Jordie Barrett, Ben Smith, Rieko Ioane, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo

    If Read wasn't back I could see Akira Ioane taking Fifita's place - but, he's got to move two places up the pecking order, which is a bit questionable unless he was outstanding in camp. However, if Taufua is broken, I think Akira's a chance.

    It's possible that they'll name a squad only for a couple of matches and rotate some of the midfielders in and out to retain an extra outside back - I'd still be doubtful that it would be NMS. I think all of Lam, Bridge and Alaimalo offer more. But, I can't see a lot of point in a fifth outside back, when already probably Naholo doesn't make the starting 23.

    JTA maybe instead of Laulala - is Nepo playing club rugby yet?

    If Coles is (almost) good to go as the media suggest, will they still take Coltman? If they do, there will be 4 hookers in the squad. It has been suggested in the media that if that happens, they'll reduce the number of loosies. Even with Taufua out, that might make Akira's chances slim.

    Has TTT done enough to get a re-newed call-up? Could Hall be a bolter?

    Things will get interesting if Ardie hasn't recovered enough for Bled I, and they can't keep Todd in NZ. Then they'd need to call up another 7 as back-up for Cane. Who? Evans?



  • @taniwharugby Jeez - that is gutting for Taufua.

    Well, let's hope they call up Akira instead so that the Blues fans can call off their campaign to rubbish every other loose forward who is not him. 🙂

    @Stargazer I don't think they'd need to carry three other hookers if Coles is truly good to go - the third hooker is only there for a late emergency and Coles can do that. I'm also not convinced that Coltman should be the hooker to depart if Coles arrives.

    TTT is a slightly unusual one. At least when Frizell has sat on the bench in recent times, he's been behind Whitelock and Squire. TTT has sat on the bench behind Weber! I think Hall is deserving of a shot somewhere along the line - seems to do most things pretty competently.

    Evans would be a reasonable prospect. Hunt has been there before hasn't he? But Ardie was bracketed for last night's game and has another week before the team is named, so I think he'll be OK.



  • @rocky-rockbottom 😂
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    Hopefully not true!



  • is Nepo playing club rugby yet?

    club rugby finished in Counties, will keep an eye out for him counties pre season games.



  • I would select (but I am not a selector) but it won't happen :

    Moody, Tu'inukuafe, Franks, Ofa-T, JTA (too early for Laulala)
    Taylor, Coltman, Makalio
    Retallick, Whitelock, Barrett
    Squire, Cane, Hemopo, Todd, Read, Ioane
    Smith, TJP, Hall
    Barrett, DMac, Mo'unga
    SBW, Crotty, Goodhue, ALB
    Ioane, Naholo, Smith, Barrett, Bridge



  • @cgrant said in TRC squad:

    I would select (but I am not a selector) but it won't happen :

    Moody, Tu'inukuafe, Franks, Ofa-T, JTA (too early for Laulala)
    Taylor, Coltman, Makalio
    Retallick, Whitelock, Barrett
    Squire, Cane, Hemopo, Todd, Read, Ioane
    Smith, TJP, Hall
    Barrett, DMac, Mo'unga
    SBW, Crotty, Goodhue, ALB
    Ioane, Naholo, Smith, Barrett, Bridge

    Thanks for clarifying you’re not one of the AB selectors. Now it’s clear for everyone 😉



  • Everyone here in this forum has a selector's soul.
    I have dropped Harris, Frizell, Fifita, Luke Whitelock, Ardie Savea, NMS and Laumape, and brought in Makalio, Hemopo as an additional lock/6, Bryn Hall and George Bridge.



  • @cgrant said in TRC squad:

    I would select (but I am not a selector) but it won't happen :

    Moody, Tu'inukuafe, Franks, Ofa-T, JTA (too early for Laulala)
    Taylor, Coltman, Makalio
    Retallick, Whitelock, Barrett
    Squire, Cane, Hemopo, Todd, Read, Ioane
    Smith, TJP, Hall
    Barrett, DMac, Mo'unga
    SBW, Crotty, Goodhue, ALB
    Ioane, Naholo, Smith, Barrett, Bridge

    Pretty good team there and I wouldn’t have too many grizzles if that team was selected until it comes to the last name on the list. I’m no Bridge hater like some on here, but Alaimalo >>>>>> Bridge



  • How can Coles be in the discussion? When was the last time he played?



  • @gunner

    I am still a fan of Ben Lam, I could not believe how much the Hurricanes ignored him over the past few weeks, Jordie Barrett in particular was guilty. IMHO when you have the opportunity to put him into space do it. I don't blame his workrate because he looks for the ball but ends up carrying in close quarters or moving bodies out of the way at rucks. Having Reiko and him on the wings could be devastating.



  • @antipodean said in TRC squad:

    How can Coles be in the discussion?

    Throwing Coles onto the selection debate fire.





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    Play like the AB's? What, do you mean good rugby from the Wannabe Wallabies, not good enough to make their A team? 🤣



  • @machpants I'm pleased the Wallabies are preparing better for the first Bledisloe than the last 2 years where we have blown them away. Wallabies will be eyeing up 1 win out of the first 2 to then take it to a Bledisloe decider in Japan later in the year. Shaping up nicely.



  • @pakman I was interested to see which loosies Kirky would pick. Pretty dull selection - it's just replacing the injured Taufua with Read and there's no significant supporting discussion.

    Ian Jones picked Tom Franklin yesterday, who is presumably not being considered because he's going/gone to Japan.



  • @chris-b said in TRC squad:

    @pakman I was interested to see which loosies Kirky would pick. Pretty dull selection - it's just replacing the injured Taufua with Read and there's no significant supporting discussion.

    Ian Jones picked Tom Franklin yesterday, who is presumably not being considered because he's going/gone to Japan.

    Interesting observation by Kirky at the end of the article on Akira.



  • @act-crusader said in TRC squad:

    @chris-b said in TRC squad:

    @pakman I was interested to see which loosies Kirky would pick. Pretty dull selection - it's just replacing the injured Taufua with Read and there's no significant supporting discussion.

    Ian Jones picked Tom Franklin yesterday, who is presumably not being considered because he's going/gone to Japan.

    Interesting observation by Kirky at the end of the article on Akira.

    very interesting. If by interesting you mean utter bullshit.



  • @act-crusader I'm inclined to agree with M4L that with Kirky being in his 70s that might not be a detailed "observation", rather something he read in the newspaper.



  • Given it looks like it was slapped on at the end suggests it was a bit of an afterthought if anything. What’s worse for the Auckland faithful, not selecting him and not mentioning him at all or not selecting him and making up stuff about a low work rate?



  • @chris-b said in TRC squad:

    @act-crusader I'm inclined to agree with M4L that with Kirky being in his 70s that might not be a detailed "observation", rather something he read in the newspaper.

    it smells so much like "that islander looking bloke runs the ball well, but doesn't do much else".

    Looks even worse when he selects Frizzle Fry a couple of lines up. A dude who plays 10 minutes a week. And selects him based on nothing more than athleticism.

    I get it, the guy is a legendary player from a long-gone era, but why are we writing articles based on nothing more than the passing observations of an old man. Wait, i know why...



  • I've never seen Kirkpatrick do any sort of media punditry before, this is a bit of a bolt out of the blue.



  • @mariner4life said in TRC squad:

    I get it, the guy is a legendary player from a long-gone era, but why are we writing articles based on nothing more than the passing observations of an old man. Wait, i know why...

    I genuinely don't know the "why" you are getting at?



  • @pakman said in TRC squad:

    Kirky's view on loosies:

    When I saw this post, and that it was from Kirkpatrick who I've never seen anything from in 40 years since he finished playing (was he a selector in the 80s? I think he may have been assistant coach on the Cavaliers tour). It made me wonder what position is the most different and most similar now to 30/40 years ago.

    Most similar = halfback. Only real difference is more a rugby league style dummy half role for every 10 phases before a proper rugby union style halfback skillset is required.

    Most different = Loose forward. No more ruck chasing and support running and late hits on the first-five. Now it is pods, zones, dominant tackles, pretend jackaling, cleanouts.



  • @rapido I think Kirky used to do comments for TV3 rugby shows.



  • @nepia said in TRC squad:

    @rapido I think Kirky used to do comments for TV3 rugby shows.

    OK, cheers.

    I didn't watch them. I had a few years 'off rugby' in the mid 2000s, and a few years overseas.



  • @rapido said in TRC squad:

    @nepia said in TRC squad:

    @rapido I think Kirky used to do comments for TV3 rugby shows.

    OK, cheers.

    I didn't watch them. I had a few years 'off rugby' in the mid 2000s, and a few years overseas.

    I had some years off rugby too, from 1998-2002.... and so did the ABs

    I’ll be here all week



  • @act-crusader said in TRC squad:

    @rapido said in TRC squad:

    @nepia said in TRC squad:

    @rapido I think Kirky used to do comments for TV3 rugby shows.

    OK, cheers.

    I didn't watch them. I had a few years 'off rugby' in the mid 2000s, and a few years overseas.

    I had some years off rugby too, from 1998-2002.... and so did the ABs

    I’ll be here all week

    pity you did that, the Crusaders had a decent little run in that period, you would have loved it



  • Maybe Kirkpatrick sees some of himself in Fifita? Every bloke I've ever met who is around my old man's age wanks on about this try....



  • @mn5 Yeah, saw that live, watching from that side too. It was a good moment.


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