Bledisloe II



  • When’s the team named again?

    With Crotty and Ioane definitely ruled out some forced changes to the starting lineup and bench.

    I think ALB comes straight into the starting 12 shirt. From what I could see there was some alternating by ALB and Goodhue in their attacking positions. ALB has started at both 12 and 13 for the ABs. Laumape comes on to the bench where he’s played that role for us previously.

    Ioane has been a mainstay on the left wing since coming into the side. Two years ago when we played the Wallabies we played Naholo on the left wing and had Bender at 14 and Dagg at fullback. We pumped them by a similar margin as Saturday.

    I thinks it’s very possible we see DMac start at fullback and then it’s a question of whether we go with Richie or Jordie on the bench.

    The other option is for Skudder to come straight into the starting lineup to pair with Naholo and Smith and DMac is kept in the same role.

    Forwards should be unchanged unless Ofa has made a miracle recovery.



  • Has been confirmed this morning that Eden Park is sold out.



  • @kiwimurph Neat!

    And so it should too.

    Prefer our home test purely for the reason when Retallick does awesome stuff, I can whoop very loudly without worrying about waking True-Love.



  • @kiwimurph I hope the NZ crowd will turn up for the Black Ferns game as well. It has been made so easy to watch them play by making it a double-header. People only have to turn up earlier; that's all.



  • @kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:

    Has been confirmed this morning that Eden Park is sold out.

    to be fair, it was sold out a week and a half ago when I was trying to get some tickets for a mate. there were some available, but they got snapped up super quickly.



  • apparently SBW has been training with the team, so adds to the mystery about what to do, as you assume if fit, he slots straight back to 12, meaning it is ALB/Goodhue shootout for 13.



  • Midfield couldn't be any more straighforward for mine; keep the combination that went so well for 68 minutes on Saturday night.

    In the outside backs, I think the selectors will probably think their next-best player is J Barrett so I'd expect to see him at FB and Smith and Naholo on the wings.



  • @shark said in Bledisloe II:

    Midfield couldn't be any more straighforward for mine; keep the combination that went so well for 68 minutes on Saturday night.

    In the outside backs, I think the selectors will probably think their next-best player is J Barrett so I'd expect to see him at FB and Smith and Naholo on the wings.

    Mate, I disagree. I think an SBW/Goodhue midfield would be the shot. Goodhue looks to me to have nailed the 13 slot with his defence and decision making, and I reckon could look the business outside Dubya. Also, SBW at 12 opens up space for Barrett and inside runners -- see Test 1 Lions for a great example of this.

    as an aside, anyone know where someone could get their hands on a video of test 1? Tests 2 and 3 are on youtube, but I'm blowed if I can find a copy of the first test match. Err... asking for a friend?



  • @stargazer said in Bledisloe II:

    @kiwimurph I hope the NZ crowd will turn up for the Black Ferns game as well. It has been made so easy to watch them play by making it a double-header. People only have to turn up earlier; that's all.

    And want to actually want to watch the black ferns. I want to watch that game as about as much as watching the Mens NZ Netball team



  • What are we going to do with Harris? He's never impressed whenever he has come on off the bench and his lineout throwing is suspect. I would rather see Coltman get the bench spot until Coles becomes available.

    Does anyone know what's the latest with Aumua? It's a shame he got injured this year, this RC would have been the perfect opportunity to develop him in the AB environment.



  • @akan004 Aumua got some minutes off the bench for Wellington on Sunday.



  • @tim Cheers Tim. Missed the Welly match.



  • @nzzp said in Bledisloe II:

    @shark said in Bledisloe II:

    Midfield couldn't be any more straighforward for mine; keep the combination that went so well for 68 minutes on Saturday night.

    In the outside backs, I think the selectors will probably think their next-best player is J Barrett so I'd expect to see him at FB and Smith and Naholo on the wings.

    Mate, I disagree. I think an SBW/Goodhue midfield would be the shot. Goodhue looks to me to have nailed the 13 slot with his defence and decision making, and I reckon could look the business outside Dubya. Also, SBW at 12 opens up space for Barrett and inside runners -- see Test 1 Lions for a great example of this.

    as an aside, anyone know where someone could get their hands on a video of test 1? Tests 2 and 3 are on youtube, but I'm blowed if I can find a copy of the first test match. Err... asking for a friend?

    Hang on, one poster made a comment that SBW has been training, and you have him in the team??



  • @hooroo Obviously.



  • @stargazer said in Bledisloe II:

    @hooroo Obviously.

    What I meant is that the timing of when it is being played probably won't be the reason people decide to turn up to watch.



  • @hooroo said in Bledisloe II:

    @stargazer said in Bledisloe II:

    @kiwimurph I hope the NZ crowd will turn up for the Black Ferns game as well. It has been made so easy to watch them play by making it a double-header. People only have to turn up earlier; that's all.

    And want to actually want to watch the black ferns. I want to watch that game as about as much as watching the Mens NZ Netball team

    Agree. I flicked back and forth between that game and whatever was on the other sports channels, but couldn't sit through a full game. The Sevens girls were amazing on the GC - I was there and lost my shit as much as anyone; moreso than in the mens' final even - but watching the girls play fifteens is quite painful.



  • Sitting through the Black Ferns v Wallaroos XVs game was an absolute treat compared to sitting through the 2018 Blues season.



  • @hooroo I have heard that excuse plenty of times, when these tests were played at smaller stadiums at inconvenient times (e.g., on a Tueaday afternoon in a normal working week), as they used to be scheduled until quite recently (that example is from last year). But yeah, although I don't understand why people wouldn't want to watch a good rugby match, there are still people who don't want to watch women's rugby, even if it's a test of the 5 times World Champions.



  • @stargazer for me, when I took TR Jnr to the ABs a year or so back, cant recall what time we arrived but we saw the last 15 or so of the BF game...I am not sure I;d of wanted to be sitting at the stadium for another 90 minutes (after a 2 hour drive, and same home) prior for the BF game as well; as above, the 7s is awesome to watch, 15s on the other hand....

    If the RWC games come up here, I will go along, even if the BF arent playing, only cos I support stuff that comes up here (I mean I watched a game of soccer there a few years ago, I hate soccer haha)



  • For the second week in a row the Black Ferns game will clash with a M10 Cup game. In this instance, it is the Waikato-North Harbour game, which I will be at. NZR and Sky should have kept that window open for the women's test.

    I would certainly go to Eden Park early if I was attending.



  • @taniwharugby I remember going to watch a curtainraiser before an AB test at Eden Park in 2000. Over half of our group were from out of Auckland.

    In case anyone it wondering the curtainraiser was the U21 final vs SA. A 71-5 win. 🙂



  • @taniwharugby I guess people who watch rugby like I do - watching 1st XV games, age grade games (U16 is borderline, but I'll watch U18 and up) - won't mind differences in pace, strength, skill between the different teams. Watching games without comparing, just enjoying what's offered at that particular level. Other people won't bother watching women's rugby because of prejudice (and have no clue or don't care about the progress made the last few years). And then there are a lot of people in-between.



  • I've coached women's XV, it is a hard watch, but with time their skills will improve. I do like the scrumhalf though, she's got an excellent pass for someone so diminutive.



  • @stargazer said in Bledisloe II:

    @taniwharugby I guess people who watch rugby like I do - watching 1st XV games, age grade games (U16 is borderline, but I'll watch U18 and up) - won't mind differences in pace, strength, skill between the different teams. Watching games without comparing, just enjoying what's offered at that particular level. Other people won't bother watching women's rugby because of prejudice (and have no clue or don't care about the progress made the last few years). And then there are a lot of people in-between.

    To me you are what chilli competitors are to the culinary world. A very small minority, passionate, but far from the norm.

    That isn't an insult by the way.



  • @bovidae said in Bledisloe II:

    For the second week in a row the Black Ferns game will clash with a M10 Cup game. In this instance, it is the Waikato-North Harbour game, which I will be at. NZR and Sky should have kept that window open for the women's test.

    I would certainly go to Eden Park early if I was attending.

    I couldn't agree more. NZR/Sky/ARU have missed an opportunity there. They could have scheduled three games on the Sunday.



  • @stargazer I watch alot of rugby too, not as much as you, but I'd say much more than average.

    Outside of the ABs, Super, M10 I watch club footy, school boy footy and by default I watch U13 rugby due to coaching it.

    @Bovidae I think the whole curtain rasier thing has changed though.

    Pretty much all games had numerous games prior, but as we already know peoples viewing habits have changed dramatically over the past 10-20 years and has therefore affected how we look at attending these events.



  • @hooroo I'd say I cover the chilli and the culinary 😃 . One of the things I find fascinating is exactly what @antipodean is referring to. The progress you see over time. Following players over the years. Both individual players from school or age grade, as well as categories of players (women's rugby as a whole).



  • I'm happy to watch various levels of rugby and accept that there will be a variance in skill, size, power etc, but with women's fifteens it's too big a decrease in all facets to make it a good watch. I mean by Crikey the Aussies didnt attempt goals because they didn't have a kicker and our kicking out of hand and for goal is probbaly equivalent to U13s.



  • How the fuck to the Wallabies approach this weekend? They turned up settled and well prepared, at home, and got flogged. They know we will get better after the weekend, but they have to come to NZ and play.

    Both their set piece were in complete disarray
    They have lost the outlet for most of their points over the past couple of years
    Their attack rarely troubled our defensive system even when they dominated the first half an hour.

    What does Cheika and the senior players say in the early week meetings? You can't just erase years of mental demons that were once again brutally rammed home on Saturday.

    Unlike last year, where they were caught on teh hop, and their system wasn't up to the early play by the ABs, this year their set up started very well, but they couldn't keep it up for a half, let alone 80 minutes. They put in effort, they just weren't good enough. That is so much harder to fix. Is their only hope for us to have another off day, but even worse?



  • @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    How the fuck to the Wallabies approach this weekend? They turned up settled and well prepared, at home, and got flogged. They know we will get better after the weekend, but they have to come to NZ and play.

    Both their set piece were in complete disarray
    They have lost the outlet for most of their points over the past couple of years
    Their attack rarely troubled our defensive system even when they dominated the first half an hour.

    What does Cheika and the senior players say in the early week meetings? You can't just erase years of mental demons that were once again brutally rammed home on Saturday.

    Unlike last year, where they were caught on teh hop, and their system wasn't up to the early play by the ABs, this year their set up started very well, but they couldn't keep it up for a half, let alone 80 minutes. They put in effort, they just weren't good enough. That is so much harder to fix**. Is their only hope for us to have another off day, but even worse?**

    That and be a dead rubber - which will likely ruin my Japan trip this year.

    But next week, no chance, we don't often get complacent at Eden Park.



  • @nepia said in Bledisloe II:

    @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    How the fuck to the Wallabies approach this weekend? They turned up settled and well prepared, at home, and got flogged. They know we will get better after the weekend, but they have to come to NZ and play.

    Both their set piece were in complete disarray
    They have lost the outlet for most of their points over the past couple of years
    Their attack rarely troubled our defensive system even when they dominated the first half an hour.

    What does Cheika and the senior players say in the early week meetings? You can't just erase years of mental demons that were once again brutally rammed home on Saturday.

    Unlike last year, where they were caught on teh hop, and their system wasn't up to the early play by the ABs, this year their set up started very well, but they couldn't keep it up for a half, let alone 80 minutes. They put in effort, they just weren't good enough. That is so much harder to fix**. Is their only hope for us to have another off day, but even worse?**

    That and be a dead rubber - which will likely ruin my Japan trip this year.

    But next week, no chance, we don't often get complacent at Eden Park.

    if we were flawless, they probably had a better chance. But that first half is probably going to galvanise the side. That and not wanting to lose on EP.

    Unless, as i said, the ABs have stopped respecting the Wallabies. Which you could almost understand.



  • Their set piece will be drastically better and with more possession, they'll be able to apply more pressure. I don't think the All Blacks were particularly brilliant and it' much easier to defend at the beginning of tests because you aren't physiologically under pressure like you are in the second half.

    The question isn't the players so much, it's why you persist with Nathan Grey's defence coaching. Or some ex Sydney club rugby player as a forwards coach.

    If Sio and Tongan Thor are available, their scrum will be better. They really need to go away from not selecting an 8 at the back of the scrum.

    After Sydney last year everyone was writing them off and they almost stole it in Dunners.



  • @antipodean if included Arnold and Folau Fainga'a would help their lineout too.



  • @antipodean said in Bledisloe II:

    Their set piece will be drastically better and with more possession, they'll be able to apply more pressure. I don't think the All Blacks were particularly brilliant and it' much easier to defend at the beginning of tests because you aren't physiologically under pressure like you are in the second half.

    The question isn't the players so much, it's why you persist with Nathan Grey's defence coaching. Or some ex Sydney club rugby player as a forwards coach.

    If Sio and Tongan Thor are available, their scrum will be better. They really need to go away from not selecting an 8 at the back of the scrum.

    After Sydney last year everyone was writing them off and they almost stole it in Dunners.

    Their set piece should be better, but will it improve enough. We raped and pillaged their lineout. Even a drastic improvement only gives them half of their lineouts. And how will it improve when they will still have short lifters and 2 genuine targets? Oh, and substandard throwers? That's asking a lot in week. Especially when they also need a lot of scrum sessions.

    How can they select a #8 when they are fully committed to the two opensides? And who is the #8 they can bring in?



  • If fit, SBW will slot in at 12, if not it’s the other triple banger ALB.
    And the back 3 will be a shuffle with Big Mac Barrett coming into the side.

    ALB or Laumape on the bench.



  • The wallabies may be better,

    but there is no reason to suggest we wont be better as well , particularly with our start .



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe II:

    The wallabies may be better,

    but there is no reason to suggest we wont be better as well , particularly with our start .

    we will absolutely be better. And they have to know that as well.



  • @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    How can they select a #8 when they are fully committed to the two opensides? And who is the #8 they can bring in?

    Pick one open side - there's a good reason every other nation has done that for a century. Isi Naisarani or anyone else his size, throw in Jordan Smiler as a stopgap measure.



  • @antipodean said in Bledisloe II:

    @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    How can they select a #8 when they are fully committed to the two opensides? And who is the #8 they can bring in?

    Pick one open side - there's a good reason every other nation has done that for a century. Isi Naisarani or anyone else his size, throw in Jordan Smiler as a stopgap measure.

    pffft hahaha

    there is no way they aren't picking Saint David, his breakdown turnovers in their own 30 are the only thing keeping the score respectable. And the other one is the captain and highest paid player.



  • @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    @antipodean said in Bledisloe II:

    @mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:

    How can they select a #8 when they are fully committed to the two opensides? And who is the #8 they can bring in?

    Pick one open side - there's a good reason every other nation has done that for a century. Isi Naisarani or anyone else his size, throw in Jordan Smiler as a stopgap measure.

    pffft hahaha

    there is no way they aren't picking Saint David, his breakdown turnovers in their own 30 are the only thing keeping the score respectable. And the other one is the captain and highest paid player.

    Not based off of Saturday's evidence.


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