AB EOYT 2018



  • Sounds like the Japan game will be used as a trial for fringe players.





  • gonna be an interesting mix.

    51 is a huge squad, so plenty of fringe players gonna get a shot (probably more to be immersed in the tour side of things rather than all getting game time) will give a look at what they are looking at beyond 2019 too I think.

    How would it even look?

    Props 7
    Hookers 4
    Locks 7
    Loosies 10
    Forwards - 28

    Halfbacks 4
    1st 5 4
    MId-field 8
    Wings 4
    FB 3
    Backs - 23



  • @tim said in AB EOYT 2018:

    Sounds like the Japan game will be used as a trial for fringe players.

    That's quite an interesting read, and it's by Rattue.

    51 does seem overkill, without giving it much more than a passing thought.

    I'm not precious about handing out the Jersey like some are, seemingly forgetting (or too young to know about) mid_week games from tears gone past.



  • @rapido ha I read the headline only, glad I didnt give Twattue a click 😉



  • After the initial assignment against Australia in Yokohama late this month, the main squad of 32 will be split with about 10 remaining to play Japan in Tokyo where they will be joined by a reserve force of 19.

    So 32 for Europe. 22 of them getting there a week early.

    10 remain in Japan a week. Presumably they all play? Joined by 19. So 29.

    23 in a matchday squad. So possibly 6 might not play at all (or some of the 'proper' 10 might just be injury cover).



  • @taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @rapido ha I read the headline only, glad I didnt give Twattue a click 😉

    It's an interesting read about the fringe ABs who played Japan last time in 2013.

    Feel safe to click and reward a grown up article. A carrot .....



  • @taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @rapido ha I read the headline only, glad I didnt give Twattue a click 😉

    You hate him as much as I hate Veitch.



  • @mn5 yeah nah...dont hate him, just hate that he a trolling cnut 99% of the time is different to what Veitch did to be deserving of hate.



  • Bold move, the dead rubber Bledisloe is usually Australia's strongest game of the year..



  • 51 players? How are they all going to fit into business class? 😉 Obviously by splitting up the squad. 🤣

    Hansen has talked about using games as a dry run for the RWC so wouldn't the 2 tests in Japan be a perfect opportunity to do just that. The first game against a tier 1 opponent (Aust), or SA at the RWC, followed by a game against a weaker team (Japan, Repechage Winner at the RWC) to allow rotation of the squad.



  • It looks more like a clever way to get a bunch of fringe players into camp to ensure training requirements (contested scrums/lineouts/moves/defence).
    As pointed out above 13 of the matchday 23 will be non regulars.
    This will be fun guessing the who's who and who's even available.

    We will likely finally see Akira play, quite possibly even starting.



  • @crucial It would be quite funny if someone like Reed Prinsep got picked instead.

    Any chance of Dalton Papali'i getting a call up as we virtually have no 7s available or am I just sounding biased towards an Auckland player? Lets be honest here he's gonna be an AB sooner rather than later 😉



  • @african-monkey said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @crucial It would be quite funny if someone like Reed Prinsep got picked instead.

    Fucking hilarious ...



  • So 29 that currently aren't in the squad. Guesses?

    May be easier to start by guessing the 10 not going straight to their nice room at the Lensbury

    I'm guessing a Front Row from the likes of Ofa, Angus, Harris. Patrick T and possibly BBBR if he needs a warmup game.
    Loosies are an issue with Cane injured as it cuts down the options to have experience in the mix if Read goes to London.
    Two of the halfbacks will have to stay in Japan surely? TJP (dark horse captain) and TTT
    I'm guessing RM at 10, the youngsters at 12/13 and DMac at 15

    So starting XV of

    Angus
    Harris
    Ofa
    Pat T
    ? (BBBR?)
    ?
    ?
    ?
    TJP
    RM
    ?
    ALB
    Goodhue
    ?
    DMac

    So the big places up for grabs for a starting jersey are in the loose forwards and/or lock (Fifita?) along with a couple of wings.
    FABGB is an option on one wing and Havili is a good bench option.
    NMS could possibly drop from main squad to the Japan only group and take a spot.

    When does Todd become available again?



  • 51 players.
    Unlucky Akira, you were the 52nd.
    Honest mate.



  • @crucial
    Ta'avao is only a TH unless you are suggesting Ofa play at LH.

    Would they select Laulala in an enlarged squad after only one M10 Cup game?



  • Just caught up with other news and I guess that the 29 will include a bunch of known players returning from injury such as Laulala and Coles



  • @bovidae said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @crucial
    Ta'avao is only a TH unless you are suggesting Ofa play at LH.

    Would they select Laulala in an enlarged squad after only one M10 Cup game?

    Yeah. I guess one of Moody/Karl plays in Japan with Angus in the squad as a benchy



  • There must be some NPC coaches out there sweating on their finals plans.



  • Some random names to throw into the mix

    Faddes
    Koroi
    Rayasi
    Nabura
    Hunt

    I assume that ACTC will nominate the complete Canterbury NPC side.



  • @rocky-rockbottom said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @frank said in AB EOYT 2018:

    51 players.
    Unlucky Akira, you were the 52nd.
    Honest mate.

    If he winds up having a Hika Elliot-type AB career then I am calling goddamn Interpol so they can start criminal proceedings.

    Don't worry, he could be another Monkley and end up with having a medal named after him.



  • On another EOYT matter, just had a look at tickets for Rome and there are still plenty available.
    If airfares and accom aren't too pricy this could be a weekender.



  • @crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:

    Some random names to throw into the mix

    Faddes
    Koroi
    Rayasi
    Nabura
    Hunt

    The other players involved in the French XV game last year would be a good starting point for the extras:

    Toomaga-Allen
    Moli (injured)
    Aumua
    Bird (overseas)
    Hunt
    A Ioane
    Drummond (could be Weber or Hall)
    Tamanivalu (going overseas)
    Duffie
    Havili

    A good chance to look at Alaimalo and Bridge.



  • So, the magic number is 51, apparently.

    No idea, but here is a start to a list:

    Forwards:

    Codie Taylor, Dane Coles, Nathan Harris, Liam Coltman, Asafo Aumua/Andrew Makalio/Ricky Riccitelli
    Joe Moody, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Tim Perry, + Bolter? (???)
    Owen Franks, Ofa Tuungafasi, Nepo Laulala, Angus Ta’avao, JTA
    Brodie Retallick, Samuel Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Luke Romano/ or Bolter? (???)
    Liam Squire, Shannon Frizell, Jackson Hemopo, Vaea Fifita
    Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Gareth Evans/ Dillon Hunt (Matt Todd for Japan only?)
    Kieran Read, Luke Whitelock, Akira Ioane

    Backs:
    TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Brad Weber, Bryn Hall
    Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Richie Mo’unga, + Bolter? (Black, Perofeta, Hunt)
    Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Anton Lienert-Brown, Sonny Bill Williams, Ngani Laumape, Rob Thompson/Matt Proctor/Bolter? (Faddes/???)
    Rieko Ioane, Waisake Naholo, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Alaimalo/George Bridge/Ben Lam
    Smith, Jordie Barrett, David Havili/Bolter? (Will Jordan)



  • Remember when we all laughed at Woodward's giant Lions squad of 2005?



  • The form hookers are Makalio and Abel. Are either good enough to tour?



  • @frank said in AB EOYT 2018:

    51 players.
    Unlucky Akira, you were the 52nd.
    Honest mate.

    53rd. The 7th choice blindside at the Highlanders will be 52nd.



  • @crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:

    Some random names to throw into the mix

    Faddes
    Koroi
    Rayasi
    Nabura
    Hunt

    I assume that ACTC will nominate the complete Canterbury NPC side.

    It’s a 51 man squad even I’ll struggle to find that many Saders/Cantabs. A couple of token Canes and Chiefs to fill the gaps.



  • @crucial id say the fringe players they might take will still be available for finals, many will barely play.

    As a bolter lock in a squad like this, I reckon Josh Goodhue will be on thier radar.



  • @taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:

    As a bolter lock in a squad like this, I reckon Josh Goodhue will be on thier radar.

    I'd say Strange and Lousi are ahead of him.

    @gt12 If they use some Japan-based players then Franklin and Dixon are also options.



  • @bovidae Whetton has outplayed them all.



  • @taniwharugby Inside knowledge?



  • @tim said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @bovidae Whetton has outplayed them all.

    If they gut the finals sides for the ABs, I'll be less than impressed. It will reinforce that this competition is worthless as a comp, and only exists as a feeder for Super.



  • @tim said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @bovidae Whetton has outplayed them all.

    But hasn't any Super rugby pedigree yet.

    Would they pick players who have yet to perform at the next level?



  • @bovidae said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @tim said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @bovidae Whetton has outplayed them all.

    But hasn't any Super rugby pedigree yet.

    Would they pick players who have yet to perform at the next level?

    the last I remember is R H McCaw

    If you're good enough...



  • Hansen was fairly clear that the 51 players are for the week after the 3rd Bledisloe by which time Mitre 10 Cup finals will be over so the comp should not be affected at all.



  • @bovidae @Tim in a squad of 51 you'd think there will be a big number of locks, as there is a void behind BBBR & SW, why would they take Romano? Meaning PT, SB and I'd say 5 or 6 others...it will go deep.

    I think they will be looking at players potential, and IMO Goodhue's trajectory (when not injured) has been as good as any in the M10 cup.

    I'm expecting almost half of the extra 20 or so to not even play.



  • There will be ten of the normal squad of 32 staying behind, joined by nineteen extras, so only six will not play. Our do you think they'll change the numbers staying behind?

    Also this will be a Japanese squad without a lot of players (maybe, not sure how Japanese club rugby works), with no prep time so a real ABs C/D team should still be ok



  • From that 51 men squad, you'll have to scratch every player who will be in the Māori All Blacks squad, as their game in Chicago is the day after the Japan game. So if - for example - Akira isn't in the main ABs squad, he'll be in the MABs squad. It won't apply to many players, but Rob Thompson and Matt Proctor are likely to be players who this applies to.


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