AB RWC squad



  • @Tim said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    No f*cking idea what Todd is there for.

    Playing the final 20 minutes of the big tests at pace.

    They'll be starting Ardie, Cane and Read, with Todd (and others) providing fresh legs and increasing the tempo with 20 minutes to go. Backing our fitness to run other teams off their feet.



  • @Bones I wouldn't say he is well proven at Super level (just checked Wiki he has 21 appearances dating back to 2018, so a fair bit more than I expected) - but I did like what I saw.

    I am happy for him to be there and I don't doubt his pedigree at the underage level. None of the others were screaming 'pick me' and really, given his lack of game time I don't think he was either. Unless he was outstanding at training, and if he was, why wasn't he played more?

    Edit - just remembered his concussion as a reason he may not have been played more.



  • No issues with the squad..
    2 most unlucky players are Nani Laumape and Jackson Hemapo in my opinion
    It’s just bad luck for Laumape that there’s 4 other quality midfielders around at the minute on saying that he’s only an injury away from a call up.

    Jackson Hemapo is just plain unlucky that Brodie Retallick is injured but is still going..hence Patrick Tuipulotu has become the beneficiary of having to carry an extra lock..

    ..love the selection of Luke Jacobson, anybody who saw his game for the chiefs against the Highlanders at Forsyth Bar during super rugby would have witnessed easily the best all round performance from a number 6 the accuracy of his performance that night was not lost on the All Black coaches .
    Throw in the fact he as great leadership skills which was seen when he skipped the 2017 Baby Blacks to World Cup glory
    An inspired selection ..!



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    No issues with the squad..
    2 most unlucky players are Nani Laumape and Jackson Hemapo in my opinion
    It’s just bad luck for Laumape that there’s 4 other quality midfielders around at the minute on saying that he’s only an injury away from a call up.

    Jackson Hemapo is just plain unlucky that Brodie Retallick is injured but is still going..hence Patrick Tuipulotu has become the beneficiary of having to carry an extra lock..

    True, but he's also the beneficiary of taking full advantage of the opportunity when given it. He was unstoppable in Bled II.



  • @MajorRage my only doubt about Tuipulotu..Can he string together consecutive quality performances ..?,based on history,I am not that convinced..!.
    One thing Hemapo gives you is 100% every time he takes the field, was consistently one of the Highlanders best players during super rugby.



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @MajorRage my only doubt about Tuipulotu..Can he string together consecutive quality performances ..?,based on history,I am not that convinced..!.
    One thing Hemapo gives you is 100% every time he takes the field, was consistently one of the Highlanders best players during super rugby.

    Based on historical form, I have doubts as well.

    But, like Luatua before him, I think he's got an x-factor which not all players have, in that his ceiling as a player is much higher than others. Just needs to be managed right to get the best out of him.

    I even trolled once last year that I thought he had future AB captain potential ...



  • @Crazy-Horse said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Bones I wouldn't say he is well proven at Super level (just checked Wiki he has 21 appearances dating back to 2018, so a fair bit more than I expected) - but I did like what I saw.

    I am happy for him to be there and I don't doubt his pedigree at the underage level. None of the others were screaming 'pick me' and really, given his lack of game time I don't think he was either. Unless he was outstanding at training, and if he was, why wasn't he played more?

    Edit - just remembered his concussion as a reason he may not have been played more.

    Geez, what's proven then? All of his performances I saw this year were very impressive, he was one of the form NZ loosies...in most loose forward positions!



  • @Bones agree he has looked good.

    He is now being nominated as the next captain on the other thread. No pressure young fella!



  • @MajorRage said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    True, but he's also the beneficiary of taking full advantage of the opportunity when given it. He was unstoppable in Bled II.

    Hansen mentioned that they changed Tuipulotu’s nutrition recently and he’s a bit lighter. He would have been following instructions before, but maybe they had it slightly wrong?

    He was always a guy who took a few games to get into a groove. I was surprised when he played well with no lead up games.



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    ..love the selection of Luke Jacobson, anybody who saw his game for the chiefs against the Highlanders at Forsyth Bar during super rugby would have witnessed easily the best all round performance from a number 6 the accuracy of his performance that night was not lost on the All Black coaches .
    Throw in the fact he as great leadership skills which was seen when he skipped the 2017 Baby Blacks to World Cup glory
    An inspired selection ..!

    I'm sure I saw that Chiefs'game - it was the first time I'd really paid attention to Jacobson.

    I think the selectors are deserving of a bit of a boot in the backside in regard to his selection though, given that he's on the plane with 22 minutes of test rugby under his belt.

    Better selecting would have seen him start that test vs Argentina instead of Fifita and start the next one vs the Boks instead of Frizell. And he would be on the plane with two test starts under his belt, instead of none!



  • Happy with that team, big gamble with 10, especially since our preferred option is to have them both on the field at the same time. Would think we could have dropped a hooker or halfback or a loosie.
    I suppose Savea can cover 10, its not that different to playing 12.



  • @Chris-B I think the selectors need a boot up the arse that its taken 4 years to work out who there next number 6 was going to be after Kaino



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Chris-B I think the selectors need a boot up the arse that its taken 4 years to work out who there next number 6 was going to be after Kaino

    Agree, but no one has stood up, lots have had chances.
    Savea has to be the form 6, but I really think Jacobson is the longterm answer, just had a lot of injuries so never really had a chance.



  • @Steven-Harris Yeah!

    Without doubt it's a much tougher job when you've only got reality to deal with 🙂 rather than the wild theories the rest of us can expound - but, with hindsight they've made some cock-ups and that's one of them.



  • @Darren said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Would think we could have dropped a hooker or halfback or a loosie.

    Can't drop a hooker because it's compulsory to have a spare on the bench.

    If someone pulls a hamstring in the warm-ups you need the third one to step in or otherwise you're playing with 14 men and uncontested scrums if you lose your starting hooker.



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Chris-B I think the selectors need a boot up the arse that its taken 4 years to work out who there next number 6 was going to be after Kaino

    You think they should have chosen 18 year old Jacobson back in the day...

    The boltiest of bolters!



  • @TeWaio said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Like the squad. With 31 players you have to take a risk somewhere, and two 10s is the best risk to take given the players available, as others have said above.

    Would be a different story if DMac was fit, he'd cover 10, replace Jordie Barrett in the outside backs, and allow them to take an extra midfielder in Laumape given how often SBW and Crotty are injured. So Laumape is the unluckiest man. Franks' time has passed sadly, but its the right call. Moli lucky Big Karl is still too crook.

    No one has really stepped up to 6 (aside from Savea from an unconventional pathway), so taking one of Frizell/Fifita/Jacobson/Papali'i/Squire/Hemopo is all pretty much of a muchness; Jacobsen will get to beat up on some minnows and that's about it barring injuries.

    If you take DMac instead of J Barrett...that still doesn't make room for Laumape. Just saying.



  • @Billy-Tell said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Chris-B I think the selectors need a boot up the arse that its taken 4 years to work out who there next number 6 was going to be after Kaino

    You think they should have chosen 18 year old Jacobson back in the day...

    The boltiest of bolters!

    I don't think we totally appreciate how hard it is to replace so many legendary players. Any other team in the world loses all time greats like GOAT, DC, Nonu and Snake, and Kevvie, would be poked for a whole cup cycle. We go into the cup with a strong win % over the last 4 years and are one of the favorites again



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Chris-B I think the selectors need a boot up the arse that its taken 4 years to work out who there next number 6 was going to be after Kaino

    They probably had a fair idea earlier who the number 6 or 6s were going to be come Webb Ellis Trophy time. It's simply called keeping your powder dry.



  • Ummm well done Owen. Quite a fall from grace but by feck you were a rock for about a decade and never once showed off or sought an undue spotlight. Stoic, silent and strong is how we like our props and you were bloody good for a long time.

    Well done young man, and thanks



  • @Siam Yeah - something of an unsung hero. Will be in the conversation of greatest tighthead props.



  • @Chris-B Perhaps the epitome of the old adage, "if you don't see them, they've had a good game".

    Would really like to hear some opinions of those who propped against him



  • @Siam Or Joni Mitchell, "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone". 🙂



  • @Darren said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Savea has to be the form 6, but I really think Jacobson is the longterm answer, just had a lot of injuries so never really had a chance.

    Jacobson could yet end up being the AB no.8 with Papalii at 6. Add those two to Savea and Cane and we have 4 quality loose forwards to be in the 23 from 2020 onwards.



  • The only weird part i have with the only taking two 10s scenario

    It looks like one is going to be playing fullback ahead of the 2 fullbacks in the big games , but im guessing will play 10 in the pool games because of the lack of 10s and surplus of fullbacks 🙂



  • For anyone that didn't watch the RWC squad announcement.



  • I was thinking last night if the Jacobson picked in part because of his use as a squad member and how he trains. The stories about McCaw coming into the Canterbury side and being a pest against his fellow loosies are legendary; I wonder if Jacobson is wired a bit that way too.

    It's a long tournament, lots of training sessions, an otherwise fairly experienced set of loosies. Perhaps having someone who is going to be fizzing all tournament is worth more to them than whatever injury permutations may or may not eventuate. It does seem from all reports that Jacobson is wired in a similar way.



  • @rotated said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I was thinking last night if the Jacobson picked in part because of his use as a squad member and how he trains. The stories about McCaw coming into the Canterbury side and being a pest against his fellow loosies are legendary; I wonder if Jacobson is wired a bit that way too.

    It's a long tournament, lots of training sessions, an otherwise fairly experienced set of loosies. Perhaps having someone who is going to be fizzing all tournament is worth more to them than whatever injury permutations may or may not eventuate. It does seem from all reports that Jacobson is wired in a similar way.

    Really? This is the first I'm hearing of this legend (but I'm hardly a Canta-phile so easier for me to miss it than others). Hope Jacobson doesn't go a bit overboard like Ron Williams and Andy Earl in 1989. 😉



  • @Siam said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Ummm well done Owen. Quite a fall from grace but by feck you were a rock for about a decade and never once showed off or sought an undue spotlight. Stoic, silent and strong is how we like our props and you were bloody good for a long time.

    Well done young man, and thanks

    One of my favourite ever All Blacks, utterly devoted to his teammates and the jersey. A man of few words but he made them count. Very strong in body and mind.

    I love the story that he celebrated the 2011 RWC win by going for a weights session the next day. On his wedding day, he had a protein shake in his jacket pocket so be could stick to his nutrition schedule.

    A fantastic Rugby player and a Great All Black.



  • From a South African newspaper article titled "Vulnerable All Blacks gamble on Retallick"
    It might be a sign of how vulnerable the All Blacks are that they have chosen to take the injured Brodie Retallick to Rugby World Cup 2019 in Japan even though he might not play for another six weeks.

    Retallick‚ the 77-Test veteran and former World Player of the Year‚ sustained a dislocated shoulder playing against the Springboks in Wellington last month and has been in a race to be fit for the showpiece.

    But All Blacks head coach Steve Hansen named him in the 31-man squad on Wednesday as New Zealand aim to win a fourth title and a third in row.

    Retallick’s value to the All Black cause cannot be underestimated.

    When he has played for the All Blacks‚ they have won 69 of the 77 Tests he has played with four draws and four losses for a 90% winning ratio.

    In all‚ the All Blacks have played 100 Tests since Retallick made his debut.
    Of the other 23 Tests they have played without Retallick they have lost five – a 78% winning ratio.

    The defending champions have endured a mediocre build-up to the tournament‚ drawing 16-16 with the Boks in Wellington and losing 47-26 to the Wallabies in Perth.

    By All Black standards results and performances have been sub-standard.

    Retallick is massively influential figure and Hansen has gambled on the 28-year-old being fit for the knockout stages from October 19.



  • Was TTT ever better than Weber?



  • @Daffy-Jaffy said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    From a South African newspaper article titled "Vulnerable All Blacks gamble on Retallick"
    It might be a sign of how vulnerable the All Blacks are that they have chosen to take the injured Brodie Retallick to Rugby World Cup 2019 in Japan even though he might not play for another six weeks.

    Retallick‚ the 77-Test veteran and former World Player of the Year‚ sustained a dislocated shoulder playing against the Springboks in Wellington last month and has been in a race to be fit for the showpiece.

    But All Blacks head coach Steve Hansen named him in the 31-man squad on Wednesday as New Zealand aim to win a fourth title and a third in row.

    Retallick’s value to the All Black cause cannot be underestimated.

    When he has played for the All Blacks‚ they have won 69 of the 77 Tests he has played with four draws and four losses for a 90% winning ratio.

    In all‚ the All Blacks have played 100 Tests since Retallick made his debut.
    Of the other 23 Tests they have played without Retallick they have lost five – a 78% winning ratio.

    The defending champions have endured a mediocre build-up to the tournament‚ drawing 16-16 with the Boks in Wellington and losing 47-26 to the Wallabies in Perth.

    By All Black standards results and performances have been sub-standard.

    Retallick is massively influential figure and Hansen has gambled on the 28-year-old being fit for the knockout stages from October 19.

    That’s the talk of genuine favourites right there.



  • @ACT-Crusader statistically, assuming we beat Tonga we will then have won 3/5 games, which is well down on our average, meaning statistically, we should win all our pool games and still be under the sans-BBBR figure of 7/9, then if he is back from the 1/4s, means we will win the RWC to still be below our winning % with him at 10/12...



  • @canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I don't think we totally appreciate how hard it is to replace so many legendary players. Any other team in the world loses all time greats like GOAT, DC, Nonu and Snake, and Kevvie, would be poked for a whole cup cycle. We go into the cup with a strong win % over the last 4 years and are one of the favorites again

    That said, there are a few blips that we didn't like in teh last four years.

    • Losing 2x to Ireland
    • Loss and draw to BIL
    • Losing to Aus
    • Loss and draw to SA

    Mind you, our record since the last RWC is 38-2-4. We'lll take it for sure 🙂

    Compared to the last cycle, where we were 49-2-3, losing to SA, Aus, England (and 2 draws with Aus), it's pretty similar (alghouth more matches played)



  • @nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I don't think we totally appreciate how hard it is to replace so many legendary players. Any other team in the world loses all time greats like GOAT, DC, Nonu and Snake, and Kevvie, would be poked for a whole cup cycle. We go into the cup with a strong win % over the last 4 years and are one of the favorites again

    That said, there are a few blips that we didn't like in teh last four years.

    • Losing 2x to Ireland
    • Loss and draw to BIL
    • Losing to Aus
    • Loss and draw to SA

    Mind you, our record since the last RWC is 38-2-4. We'lll take it for sure 🙂

    Compared to the last cycle, where we were 49-2-3, losing to SA, Aus, England (and 2 draws with Aus), it's pretty similar (alghouth more matches played)

    First loss to the Irish was *, on a narrow field. The draw to the BIL also has a *, a deal is a deal mon ami



  • @nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Compared to the last cycle, where we were 49-2-3, losing to SA, Aus, England (and 2 draws with Aus), it's pretty similar (alghouth more matches played)

    Ooops, that included the RWC. So probably more like 42-2-3 and surprisingly similar.

    How high are our standards? 3-4 losses in 4 years and we're grizzly



  • @nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    How high are our standards? 3-4 losses in 4 years and we're grizzly

    Yep. A high bar has been set for well over 100 years.

    I think the nature of the wins (and losses) over the last couple of years generates the angst, as well as who they were against (Ireland).



  • I love these type of stories, as the life of a professional rugby player seems to be in 4 yr cycles now.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/115370964/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-prop-nepo-laulalas-tears-of-joy



  • @Bovidae

    I remember watching Nepo playing club footy when he was about 20. Mike Cron ( who I know) stopped for a chat. I said that young tighthead looks ok. He replied: too small will never make it.



  • @Wally said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Bovidae

    I remember watching Nepo playing club footy when he was about 20. Mike Cron ( who I know) stopped for a chat. I said that young tighthead looks ok. He replied: too small will never make it.

    proof Mike Cron knows fuck all!!!


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